The four towers? - Page 2

TinuvielChild · 12-02-2002, 12:57 AM

Serious deja vu...I could have sworn that I've seen this thread before. And posted on it. Eh, well. Whatever.

And my copy of FotR says the same thing at the back. Is that Tolkien's definition of which two towers they were?

BeardofPants · 12-02-2002, 01:17 AM

I had an idea that that was an editorial insert, but I'm not sure. In Letters he certainly wasn't gearing towards those two particular towers.

(And yes, this has gone on in another thread...)

Nilore · 12-02-2002, 02:41 PM

It doesn't matter now anyway. It turns out to be Orthanc and Barad Dur.

Nilore

BeardofPants · 12-02-2002, 02:50 PM

How so? This is the book forum, and PJ is NOT the definitive version of LOTR.

Silje · 12-04-2002, 10:20 AM

I agree with you BeardofPants.
There are many towers in LotR and I think it's up to everyone to find out for themselves which ones they think it is. No one can decide except perhaps Tolkien

BeardofPants · 12-04-2002, 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Silje
No one can decide except perhaps Tolkien

..... and even HE couldn't.

Radagast The Brown · 12-04-2002, 04:39 PM

Quote:

originally posted by Nunc
Cirith Ungol/Minas Morgul was most definitely a tower. It was built to complement Minas Tirith and they were opposites, the Tower of the Setting Sun and the Tower of the Rising Moon, with Osgiliath, the capital of Gondor, in between straddling the Anduin.

I wasn't talking about Minas Morgul, I was talking about Cirith Ungol.

Eothain · 12-04-2002, 05:11 PM

It means orthanc and Barad-Dur

Arathorn · 12-05-2002, 12:00 AM

If I were Tolkien, I would've named that volume "The Two Hobbits" so that it would be more confusing.

Well, maybe we could make it more specific to Frodo and Sam with "The Two Hobbitses" as told by good ole Smeagol.

Seriously, I thought that it was Minas Morgul and Minas Tirith since Minas Morgul was once Minas Ithil and twin of Minas Tirith.

cassiopeia · 12-05-2002, 12:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Arathorn
If I were Tolkien, I would've named that volume "The Two Hobbits" so that it would be more confusing. Well, maybe we could make it more specific to Frodo and Sam with "The Two Hobbitses" as told by good ole Smeagol.

Hmm, it could be Frodo and Sam or Frodo or Gollum or Merry and Pippin..........

One more time: We don't know what towers the title refers to. I would put my money on Orthanc and Barad-dur, if I had too.

BeardofPants · 12-05-2002, 01:13 AM

Quote:

Cass:
One more time: We don't know what towers the title refers to.

Yeah, that should get the point across.

Arathorn · 12-05-2002, 01:32 AM

Maybe they were towers that stretched like shadows and not real towers at all. LOL

Blackboar · 12-05-2002, 01:39 PM

It says what towers they are in the preview for TTT in the
extended version of LotR.
But I can't remember

Radagast The Brown · 12-05-2002, 05:23 PM

Quote:

originally posted by BoP
Yeah, that should get the point across.

well, if you say so. I like to argue. really. But I'm not so good in this.

zavron · 12-05-2002, 05:26 PM

I think It's Orthanc and Bra-dhur, because frodo and sam are heading in that general direction and the rest of the fellowship are trying to bring down Orthanc, It realy depends on a persons opinion really

cassiopeia · 12-05-2002, 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Blackboar
It says what towers they are in the preview for TTT in the
extended version of LotR.
But I can't remember

Oh boy.

Quote:

Originally posted by zavron
think It's Orthanc and Bra-dhur

*giggles* What is Sauron doing there I wonder?

Lanelf · 12-06-2002, 07:40 PM

Hang on: I've got the solution to the dilemma! It's the two invisible intangible non-existent towers that the Ents built deep in the Fangorn forest where they plotted the downfall of Middle-Earth!

Just keeping you on your toes.

Lanelf.

Elfhelm · 12-06-2002, 07:58 PM

The publisher made up the title, not Tolkien, or so I've heard. So it's one of the first impure additions to the oft-stained canon.

Firekitten2006 · 12-06-2002, 08:37 PM

asked one of my friends about this. He said that he thought it was orthnac and barad dur. And yeah, in the movie supposedly its Orthnac at isenguard and saurons orthnac. But i dont remember Sauron having an Orthnac because Isenguard and Orthnac was built before Saurunam was bad. maybe this doesnt make any sense at all

squinteyedsoutherner · 12-06-2002, 10:01 PM

It is not true that the Two Towers are not known.

They are clearly Orthanc and Minas Morgul. The question is: Do you care? since Tolkien didn't like the title or make that decision. But the publisher (who chose the title) most certainly identified Orthanc and Minas Morgul both by written word, at the end of the original fellowship, and by the cover of the original Two Towers.

The fact that Tolkien didn't create the title, or even like it, doesn't change the fact that the people who did, clearly identified the "Two Towers" to which they were refering.

12-02-2002, 12:57 AM	#21
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12-02-2002, 01:17 AM	#22
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	I had an idea that that was an editorial insert, but I'm not sure. In Letters he certainly wasn't gearing towards those two particular towers. (And yes, this has gone on in another thread...) __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

12-02-2002, 02:41 PM	#23
Nilore Elven Warrior Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: I am every where and I am no where, I am everyone and I am no-one! HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! Posts: 319	It doesn't matter now anyway. It turns out to be Orthanc and Barad Dur. Nilore __________________ UZG-BURGÛLU-OB GHASHANUM GHASHNUM-OB MOR ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Raise the Phial of Galadriel and let the Star Glass of Lothlorian cast out the Darkness of Shelob's Lair. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Naur an edraith ammen! Naur dan i ngaurholth! There was a roar and a crackle, and the tree above him burst into a leaf and bloom of blinding flame. The whole hill was crowned with a dazzling light! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ bhûl latu dûmp Accept Your DOOM ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ DIE MERE MORTALS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh NO I AM A MERE MORTAL AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG GGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHH Stop the NUKE Stop the NUKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Nilore writes last will and testament. Gets on knees And begs God for Mercy. Realizes He's already dead Flies up to heaven ( By the power of Red Bull) and lives happily ever after. THE END ( It's a MINI adventure) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

12-02-2002, 02:50 PM	#24
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	How so? This is the book forum, and PJ is NOT the definitive version of LOTR. __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

12-04-2002, 05:11 PM	#28
Eothain Enting Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 73	The four towers It means orthanc and Barad-Dur __________________ Where now the horse and the rider? Where is the horn that was blowing? Where is the helm and the hauberk, and the bright hair flowing? Where is the hand on the harpsting, and the red fire glowing? Where is the spring and the harvest and the tall corn growing? They have past like rain on the mountain, like a wind in the meadow; The days have gone down in the West behind the hills into shadow. Who shall gather the smoke of the dead wood burning, or behold the flowing years from the Sea returning? Frodo lives

12-04-2002, 10:20 AM	#25
Silje Hobbit Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 22	I agree with you BeardofPants. There are many towers in LotR and I think it's up to everyone to find out for themselves which ones they think it is. No one can decide except perhaps Tolkien

12-05-2002, 12:00 AM	#29
Arathorn Bard of Mangled Songs Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: West of Middle Earth...oh alright...Manila Posts: 2,679	If I were Tolkien, I would've named that volume "The Two Hobbits" so that it would be more confusing. Well, maybe we could make it more specific to Frodo and Sam with "The Two Hobbitses" as told by good ole Smeagol. Seriously, I thought that it was Minas Morgul and Minas Tirith since Minas Morgul was once Minas Ithil and twin of Minas Tirith. __________________ Power attracts the corruptible. Absolute power attracts the absolutely corruptible. -Missionaria Protectiva, Frank Herbert *Accio, Ash Nazg!* Elennuru s?la lúmenn' omentielvo* (The Death Star shines on the hour of our meeting) - Darth Arathorn Put aside the ranger... Start looking for Mumakil action figures...

12-05-2002, 01:32 AM	#32
Arathorn Bard of Mangled Songs Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: West of Middle Earth...oh alright...Manila Posts: 2,679	Maybe they were towers that stretched like shadows and not real towers at all. LOL __________________ Power attracts the corruptible. Absolute power attracts the absolutely corruptible. -Missionaria Protectiva, Frank Herbert *Accio, Ash Nazg!* Elennuru s?la lúmenn' omentielvo* (The Death Star shines on the hour of our meeting) - Darth Arathorn Put aside the ranger... Start looking for Mumakil action figures...

12-05-2002, 01:39 PM	#33
Blackboar Legolas's beloved sister and Queen of the Wood Elves of Mirkwood Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Under the hill at Bag-end, Hobbiton the Shire Or Rivendell,I can't remember!!!!!!!!!! Posts: 1,086	It says what towers they are in the preview for TTT in the extended version of LotR. But I can't remember

12-05-2002, 05:26 PM	#35
zavron Chieftain of The Order of The Blue Flame Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: I am a Figment of your Imagination!!! OOOHHHH!!! Posts: 1,729	I think It's Orthanc and Bra-dhur, because frodo and sam are heading in that general direction and the rest of the fellowship are trying to bring down Orthanc, It realy depends on a persons opinion really __________________ Visit http://nilore.suddenlaunch2.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ''ASH NAZG DUBARTULUK, ASH NAZG GIMBATUL, ASH NAZG THRAKATULUK AGH BURZUM--ISHI KRIMPATUL...ash nazg, ash nazg......'' ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Gil- galad was an elven king. Of him the harpers sadly sing: the last whose realm was fair and free between the mountains and the sea. His sword was long, his lance was keen, his shinig helm afar was seen; the countless stars of heaven's field were mirrored in his silver shield. But long ago he rode away, and where he dwelleth none can say; for into darkness fell his star in mordor where the shadows are. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

12-06-2002, 07:40 PM	#37
Lanelf Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The Second Drawer Down Posts: 407	Hang on: I've got the solution to the dilemma! It's the two invisible intangible non-existent towers that the Ents built deep in the Fangorn forest where they plotted the downfall of Middle-Earth! Just keeping you on your toes. Lanelf. __________________ Hey, I'm back! resounding silence You didn't even notice I was gone, did you? Well, I'm back now anyway. Artemis Fowl must find Mulch Diggums! You'll never shut down the real Napster

12-06-2002, 07:58 PM	#38
Elfhelm Marshal of the Eastmark Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 1,412	The publisher made up the title, not Tolkien, or so I've heard. So it's one of the first impure additions to the oft-stained canon. __________________ cya

12-06-2002, 08:37 PM	#39
Firekitten2006 Elven Warrior Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: the US of A! But I wish i was in austraila, never been, just think it would be a fun place to live :) Posts: 372	asked one of my friends about this. He said that he thought it was orthnac and barad dur. And yeah, in the movie supposedly its Orthnac at isenguard and saurons orthnac. But i dont remember Sauron having an Orthnac because Isenguard and Orthnac was built before Saurunam was bad. maybe this doesnt make any sense at all __________________ I'm Baaaack!!

12-06-2002, 10:01 PM	#40
squinteyedsoutherner Elven Warrior Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 198	It is not true that the Two Towers are not known. They are clearly Orthanc and Minas Morgul. The question is: Do you care? since Tolkien didn't like the title or make that decision. But the publisher (who chose the title) most certainly identified Orthanc and Minas Morgul both by written word, at the end of the original fellowship, and by the cover of the original Two Towers. The fact that Tolkien didn't create the title, or even like it, doesn't change the fact that the people who did, clearly identified the "Two Towers" to which they were refering. Last edited by squinteyedsoutherner : 12-06-2002 at 10:13 PM.

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