09-20-2006, 06:44 PM | #21 |
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What I meant is that LOTR did not become very popular immediately - it took about 10 years. Well not 20, OK.
Here is what I am basing on: http://www.fantasticmetropolis.com/i/tolkien/1/ I have little personal recollection of 50-ies or 60-ies |
09-20-2006, 10:16 PM | #22 |
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I dig Christopher completing his dad's books almost as much as I dig Dweezil Zappa playing his dad's music (which is to say "quite a bit"). :dude:
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09-21-2006, 12:08 AM | #23 |
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this should be moved to Middle Earth
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A few authors did that for Dr. Seuss, I do wonder how many people will wonder if tolken is still alive because of this (A person is smart, people are numskulls).
Anyway I don't think I'll read it, nothing against anyone but unless I spot it in a library I don't think I'll read it.
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Hm, perhaps when I'm done reading my current collection. (Still haven't read Unfinished Tales!) *ducks*
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If he's going to tag on his own material from the point where his father left off, I don't think I"d like it ...
Is it going to be anything new from what we already have in our preciousssss little HoMe books? If it's more material from JRRT himself, I'd buy it, but if it's just Christopher's writing, then .... mergh .... ehh ....
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In some ways I think someone being a close relative might be a negative thing when interpreting another's work. There will be biases that might not exist with a more objective observer. You see this throughout HoME. Attempts to justify inconsistancies by JRR when, in fact, they were just that: inconsistancies JRR never really completely hashed out. The only "authority" on a man's work is the person who wrote it. Anyone else has no authority and their conclusions are only as good as how widely the final product is accepted.
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09-21-2006, 04:01 PM | #29 |
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Chris does have a bit more of an advantage though in the sense that he worked with his father (ME maps 'n ****) when he was still alive.
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However, for the record I will state that Christophers contributions to his father's published works are much appreciated. I do really like the fact that he got the Sil published, the Letters, etc. He's a great guy, and yes, possibly the only living person who can lay claim to being a bonafide authority on JRRT's stuff. BUT; he's still not Tolkien, and I don't know about you, but I have no relatives that I would like to 'complete' a book that I myself decided to scrap after I'm dead. Maybe publish the snippets, but not finish on me. ...But that's just me.
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I think Christopher did some great work as well, I just wouldn't use the "authority" word.
Of course, since his name is Christopher Tolkien, I guess it is a new "Tolkien" book.
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Again I will say, if I had a work that I had begun in life, then abandoned, deciding to move on to other things, I'm not really sure I would want anyone, after I was dead, to complete it for me. Even if I told them where I was going with the story, or what the general idea was, I don't feel that I could trust them to finish my stuff and release it under my name. But I'm protective of my writings/other works. So maybe JRRT would feel differently. At any rate, I'm not trying to sit here and flame Christopher. I might even read the thing, when it comes out.
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There's a similar debate with Mahler's uncompleted 10th Symphony. What there was finished was performed, but some scholars took it upon themselves to finish the work...most famously Deryck Cooke. A lot of Mahler champions, including Bruno Walter and Otto Klemperer, who had worked with Mahler; were against the idea.
There are about three or four "versions" circulating around, and none of them of course, sound anything like what Mahler would have done....
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I have to say, Gwai has pretty much spelled it out...
Christopher is most definitely Tolkien...
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LOL. Yes, he is Tolkien.
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*stands corrected*
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Not at all Gwai - stand Proud!!
Lovely lass as we all agree Rosie is - when she errs - and badly as here - do not let one careless word from god knows what "authority" let you take 30 ..yes THIRTY YEARS of BOTH TOLKIEN'S life and work away from you. hardly rushed or ill-concieved is it? How old is he? ..Hardly for the money or the fame ... Tis, in like to his father, for the joy of it. 30 years ...we are not talking Mills and Boon here for F's sake. Poppycock!! say I to the lovely Rosie ....Poppycock me dear! Last edited by Butterbeer : 09-27-2006 at 05:11 PM. |
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You are quite right, of course, BB. I did not for a minute give up my support of ol' Chris in this endeavour. I just stood corrected on the question of the work being 'abandoned'.
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