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![]() Sauron corrupted the Seven just as he did the Nine, but they had different effects on Men than on Dwarves. There is no evidence that the Seven gave invisibility, though we know the Nine did. Also, the Dwarves were not enslaved like Men much to Sauron's disgust. They were able to pass them along from father to son, and that is alone a notable thing, as we know how hard that was for any of the Great Rings, except, of course, the Elven ones. The power of the Elven Rings was to preserve the area of Middle-earth where the Bearer dwelt as if it were in the First Age, and that mattered tremendously to the Elves, who were sorriful that so much that they loved withered and passed away. It should not be a surprise that the Rings had differing effects on the three kindreds, since they all had different natures.
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Not really because then Gimli & all the other Dwarves (bar one) would be dead.
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I was posting at the same time as you so I didn't see your post until I had posted!
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Then Huor spoke and said: "Yet if it stands but a little while, then out of your house shall come the hope of Elves and Men. This I say to you, lord, with the eyes of death: though we part here for ever, and I shall not look on your white walls again, from you and me a new star shall arise. Farewell!" The Silmarillion, Nirnaeth Arnoediad, Page 230 |
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*note: Sauron was a maia of Aule and so was Saruman, who bothb turned to evil. Yet dwarves, people of Aule, were to stout hearted to turn to evil.
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By Eru, people here are so helpful and informative. THanks so much for this wonderful information! I havent gotten around to reading everything yet. Stupid summer reading is stopping me. Curse that Summer Reading!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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The Nazgul became permanently invisible because their bodies faded as a consequence of their long-term use of the Rings. They were turned into wraiths. It was Sauron's hope that the Dwarves would also be turned into wraiths, but the Rings were incapable of rendering the Dwarves invisible. Hence, Sauron's plan failed with the Dwarves. Had he given those Rings to Elves or Men, he would have had seven more wraiths in the end. |
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Oh i disagree. i dont think the elves would have turned even if they had the nine. THey too were very strong willed. I highly doubt elves could become wraiths by any of the seven
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Yet they didn't take them off for Galadriel wore her Ring.
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I dont understand youre last post T.D.
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Which one, the one I just did?
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yes that one abotu Galadriel. I think you have word missing and it must b improtant cuz I cant undrstand what is being written there.
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Don't think so. Well what it's meant to say is that not all the elves took their Rings off when they saw Sauron's intentions for Galadriel wore her Ring during WotR.
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okay thanks now I know what you meant and I didnt remember that.
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Actually, I don't think Galadriel had a Ring back then. Only the Elves of Eregion had - and Galadriel has already gone to Lorien back then, through Khazad Dum. Niether did Elrond have one, or Cirdan. Celebrimbor did, and I think it's said in UT that he was the one who felt Sauron.
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Wouldnt that be interesting if there were the 3 elven wraiths, the nine human wraiths, and the 7 dwarven wraiths. That would have been an interesting story. A littl emore like Robert Jordan perhaps and probably nowehere near as good but it would have been pee your pants funny
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