01-04-2003, 05:35 PM | #21 |
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I'm not really into the marraige thing (marraige is an institution......who wants to spend the rest of their lives in an institution ).
I don't see why anyone needs to change their sirname in this day and age (tradition not withstanding obvioulsy).........although I can see why it was a necessity in the past........when folks didn't have the administration benefits we have today (thinking dowerys, inheritance etc) Besides, it would be a brave person to take on my family name, it is rarely pronounced correctly |
01-04-2003, 06:40 PM | #22 |
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Sometimes, one family name or the others, carries valuable reputation or influence with it.
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01-04-2003, 11:59 PM | #23 |
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HAHA! Yours too Coney?
Mines Kaohani first name Leilani say that seven times fast.
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01-05-2003, 04:12 AM | #25 |
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Oops........maybe my last post came across a little more gung-ho than I'd intended
Rian: I certainly don't think their is anything wrong with the concept of marraige and folks taking their spouses name(s).......I just don't think it is neccessary in this day and age [qoute]Mines Kaohani first name Leilani say that seven times fast.[/qoute] I see what you mean ............. I'll try for the seven times when I'm sober |
01-05-2003, 06:51 PM | #26 |
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*sniff* well, a lot of things may not be necessary, but they can still be good...
Sorry, Coney, it just gets my blood up to see a beautiful institution (institutions can be good, too, you know, in the sense of customs, etc.) like marriage attacked. It sure gets knocked a lot nowdays . I should have payed more attention to your "winky" smilie face, but I was too upset by the time I got to it, so I overreacted. Friends still?
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I'm sorry, but I can't help but feel the urge to take a little stab at Coney's opinion. I hope you don't mind, Coney?
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01-06-2003, 04:19 AM | #30 |
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Our country had strong Christian roots, in the beginning. In that time, STD's weren't a problem at all. Now, it is a major problem all over America. Our roots are being deteriorated from the inside, and morals that were once held are now counted as irrelevant and 'behind the times.'
Do you think that the thousands and thousands in America that have been damaged severely by this all have only one braincell? These people were smart, but they have been hurt. Accidental children have been hurt by the disunity in their families. Even if some people know a way to avoid the tangle of pain, that doesn't mean that their action isn't wrong. The wrongness of this new way of thinking is demonstrated by its fruit. Worldwide life threatening diseases, disfunctional families and individuals. It gives a few pleasure, a few who can protect themselves. Information can be processed that will protect more people- these condoms, for example. But is it worth it? The loosening morals effects everyone. The information available protects some. It is possible to step back from this place to which we have gone, to set about repairing the damage that has been done. To do that, we would have to reorientate, to refocus, to look back upon what our founders saw and attempt to see as they did. I don't know whether or not you see the need for that, but the capstone that our country stood on is Jesus. |
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Lief you seem to be under the impression that anyone who isn't married cannot commit to a monogamous relationship
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01-06-2003, 01:31 PM | #32 |
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I think freedom to choose your religion for yourself is a good thing. Freedom is great; I have no problem with it. But here's one thing I do disagree with: The overall loosening of morals that our founding fathers had.
These morals, in our popular culture nowadays are taught to be behind the times. They are taught to be mere religion; what was taught then isn't necessarily valid now, for we know more than they did. What do we know? Scientifically there is on problem with it, and those that don't believe in anything but science (Atheists) can do what they like. That is the surface level argument, but there are deeper issues. Let's try and see what type of tree this is by its fruit, shall we? And from that let us decide which is correct, what America has now, or what it had then. Whether the morals were behind the times theology, or whether they are something more. At the time when those morals were strong in our country, violence, sex, drugs, heavy drinking, all sorts of problems that are rampant nowadays were on a much smaller level. We had Christian beliefs at the founding of our nation. Now, those common beliefs are being erroded and counted for naught, because of religious freedom. Sex outside of marriage is one expression of that, and what has it given us? It has given a few some happiness and pleasure. Meanwhile, however, STD's are a HUGE problem in Africa. In America, they are also infecting thousands upon thousands (Of 0 branicelled people?). This would never of happened, thousands of lives would have been saved and millions others not harmed, if the moral guidelines hadn't been erroded. Our wealth and affluence grow, our freedoms increase, but there is a point where freedom can be damaging. That is when 'freedom' destroys moral guidelines. This is what is happening in our culture today, and this is why all of these problems I have mentioned are there. Did our predecessors have to worry about the ethics of abortion? Did they have to worry about kids murdering their schoolmates? They had problems, but the common beliefs that prevailed in America protected it. And now those beliefs are being stripped away by people like you and so many others that now think those beliefs 'for a few,' and that we are 'enlightened,' to be outside of that yoke now. |
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Also it presents a problem of interpretation. From your comment, you seem to think some form of monogamy is good. Well, how about the person whose idea of serial monogamy is 1 week or 1 day or 1 hour? Is that bad? If so, why? On what grounds? I'm not trying to "force" the Biblical moral code on those that don't want it, I'm just pointing out that when you try to form moral codes with the idea that truth is relative, then you have all sorts of logical inconsistencies.
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Also, condoms are NOT very effective against many STDs, including syphilis, gonorrhea and herpes.
Back to topic - I forgot to ask my Colombian sister-in-law about the name thing when I was with her at Christmas - I'll try to remember to call her and get back to you people. I think for the wife to take the husband's name is also a lovely symbol of the "two becoming one".
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Morality is relative.
I'm not a big believer in marriage either. Why should I get a piece of paper to pledge my commitment to a loved one? Is my word not enough? Besides, this way I get to keep my last name. It's rare, and me, my brother, and my cousin Olivia (plus a couple of cousins once/twice removed) are the last of the line.
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