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I said it before, and I'll say it again. This planet is falling apart. Seriously, I don't want to be here when it erupts, but it looks very soon.
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Riots just make a mess. It takes brains and TRUE courage, and patience, and fearless drive and chutzpah to really create lasting positive social change. Not just thuggin' around tossing molotov cocktails into random cars.
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This may be slightly off topic, and i'm sorry if it is.
We have a french forgien extange student at out school this year, and reading this thread reminded me of a conversation i had with her. I was telling her about how nice the people were when i was in Australia, and she responded with "If the people in the band thought they were nice, they must have been incredibly nice, because i thought that americans were nice compared to the french."
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Has the French Government surrendered yet to the rioters? What's taking them so long?
> >France has neither winter nor summer nor morals. > >Apart from these drawbacks it is a fine country. > >France has usually been governed by prostitutes." > >Mark Twain. > > > > > >"I would rather have a German division in front of me than a French one > >behind me." > >General George S. Patton. > > > > > >"Going to war without France is like going deer hunting without your > >accordion." > >Norman Schwartzkopf. > > > >"We can stand here like the French, or we can do something about it." > >Marge Simpson > > > > > >"As far as I'm concerned, war always means failure" > >Jacques Chirac, President of France > > > > > >"As far as France is concerned, you're right." > >Rush Limbaugh, > > > >"The only time France wants us to go to war is when the German Army is > >sitting in Paris sipping coffee." > >Regis Philbin. > > > >"The French are a smallish, monkey-looking bunch and not dressed any > >better, > >on average, than the citizens of Baltimore. > > > >True, you can sit outside in Paris and drink little cups of coffee, but why > >this is more stylish than sitting inside and drinking large glasses > >of whisky I don't know." > >P.J O'Rourke (1989). > > > >"You know, the French remind me a little bit of an aging actress of the > >1940s who was still trying to dine out on her looks but doesn't have the > >face for it." > >John McCain, U.S. Senator from Arizona. > > > > > > > >"You know why the French don't want to bomb Saddam Hussein? > >Because he hates America, he loves mistresses and wears a beret. He is > >French, people!" > >Conan O'Brien > > > > > >"I don't know why people are surprised that France won't help us get Saddam > >out of Iraq. After all, France wouldn't help us get Hitler out of France > >either" > >Jay Leno. > > > >"The last time the French asked for 'more proof' it came marching into > >Paris > >under a German flag." > >David Letterman > > > >Only thing worse than a Frenchman is a Frenchman who lives in Canada. > >Ted Nugent. > > > > > >War without France would be like ... uh ... World War II. > >The favorite bumper sticker in Washington now is one that says 'First Iraq, > >then France.'" > >Tom Brokaw. > > > > > >"What do you expect from a culture and a nation that exerted more of its > >national will fighting against DisneyWorld and Big Macs than the Nazis?" > >Dennis Miller. > > > > > >"It is important to remember that the French have always been there when > >they needed us." > >Alan Kent > > > >"They've taken their own precautions against al-Qa'ida. To prepare for an > >attack, each Frenchman is urged to keep duct tape, a white flag, and a > >three-day supply of mistresses in the house." > >Argus Hamilton > > > >"Somebody was telling me about the French Army rifle that was being > >advertised on eBay the other day -- the description was, 'Never shot. > >Dropped once.'" > > > >Rep. Roy Blunt (MO) > > > > > >"The French will only agree to go to war when we've proven we've found > >truffles in Iraq." > > > >Dennis Miller > > > >Raise your right hand if you like the French ... raise both hands if you > >are French. > > > >Q. What did the mayor of Paris say to the German Army as they entered the > >city in WWII? > >A. Table for 100,000 m'sieur? > > > >"Do you know how many Frenchmen it takes to defend Paris? It's not known, > >it's never been tried." > > > >Rep. R. Blount (MO) > > > >"Do you know it only took Germany three days to conquer France in WWII? And > >that's because it was raining." > > > >John Xereas, Manager, DC Improv. > > > >The AP and UPI reported that the French Government announced after the > >London bombings that it has raised its terror alert level from Run to Hide. > >The only two higher levels in France are Surrender and Collaborate. The > >rise > >in the alert level was precipitated by a recent fire which destroyed > >France's white flag factory, effectively disabling > >their military. > > > > > >French Ban Fireworks at Euro Disney > >(AP), Paris, March 5, 2003 > >The French Government announced today that it is imposing a ban on the use > >of fireworks at Euro Disney. > > > >The decision comes the day after a nightly fireworks display at the park, > >located just 30 miles outside of Paris, caused the soldiers at a nearby > >French Army garrison to surrender to a group of Czech tourists.
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Yes, those were quite amusing quips; however, this is not a "dog France creatively" thread. I made this thread to discuss what is going on with the young minority street revolution that's still going on all over France, not to discuss funny things about France.
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Furthermore, France has been an extremely secular state for many years. This clashes with the views of the many Muslim immigrants, who are used to Shariah law. To many French, religion is all right so long as it is in your own home, behind closed doors. For the Muslims, religion has always been part of state and society. Coming into an extremely secular environment is a very difficult switch, and when little effort to adjust to customary French ways is made, the religious barrier becomes even sharper. Another issue is, of course, poverty. Many of the immigrants came to France, hoping for a better future. They have been sadly disappointed. Few jobs are available to them, little future awaits them, and society shuts their way of thinking out. My French teacher claims that unemployment was a big problem in France before the immigrants began to pour in. Thus, my teacher claims that the French have not been treating the Africans and Middle Eastern folk in a racist or intolerant way, but a problem that already existed in France is massively expanded. Within . . . I believe the last twenty years, 8 million or so immigrants moved to France. That's 8 million out of the total population of France, which is 60 million. Needless to say, the population shift is enormous. France also is a very cramped country. It has limiting, close boundaries, trapping and confining the expanding population. It has none of the history of acceptance of diversity, and none of the culture blending that America has always experienced. I think that these explanations my teacher made about the history of the difficulties make a lot of sense. As regards the racism argument, I really couldn't comment. I know there is an opposing side to the story as well; there always is. Anyway . . . just thought I'd post some of the dimensions to the conflict that I've heard from a native Parisian.
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Good post Lief. Intergration is a big problem in France. Not only are there many immigrants from former French colonies who haven't really blended with the French community, but their kids and grandkids have troubles blending in as well. When a country have 2nd and 3rd generations of immigrants who haven't become integrated, the country is bound to see problems arise.
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Gosh. I wish I had time to read that. Saving to Word...
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Very thoughtful post Lief. I'm glad to see you around. I don't think your Parisian friend's insight rules out racism and other problems from the "other side of the coin", but they definitely add another layer. There aren't bad guys and good guys in this situation (as your post served to outline).
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That WAS a good post, Lief! Nice 2 see you around; haven't seen you online as much lately. And thanx 4 the article, Nurvy! Haven't read it all yet, though...
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Ugh! Who would want to take over Earth! Those Terrans complain too much, kill each other. Dang, forget that.
Yep, the rioting continues, I beleive. What is it, day 20?
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rohirrim tr, what you need is a damn good spanking from your mommy, and an hour in the time-out room. Go back to your star wars threads for that stuff, s'il vous plait.
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yeah, its pretty crazy, like the french revolution except for the whole head cutting off thing that hasn't happened there yet.... i've got an idea for a t-shirt burning cars never solved anything, and have a pic of a fire extinguisher.
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It is nothing like the French revolution. Have you read this thread through, or watche4d or read any of the actual news reports, rohirrim TR? Please quit trying to kill all the threads with nonsense, please.
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*sighs in exasperation* Just please try and stay on topic,and try & check the silliness, rohirrim tr; as long as it's on topic & relevant, then by all means, post here.
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