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08-24-2004, 04:11 AM | #21 |
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I dont think any character in the book wasnt tempted by the ring. That is its nature. IT tempts everyone. Aragorn was tempted Legolas was tmepted everyone was tempted. Thats why it is so powerful. No one is exempt.
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08-24-2004, 12:55 PM | #23 |
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Are we sure that Galadriel actually explicitly tempted anyone with anything? Did she not just give them insight into themselves: into what they most wanted?
If she knew that Boromir wanted the Ring that badly, would she have let them wander off together without warning Aragorn or Frodo? |
08-24-2004, 01:40 PM | #24 |
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She warned Gandalf, later. I guess she didn't want to introduce distrust into the Fellowship. To my mind, Sam's remark, and Frodo's, indicate they were both tempted.
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08-24-2004, 03:06 PM | #25 |
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Also, after Frodo had offered Galadriel the Ring, she herself admitted that she had been testing his heart at his arrival, remarking that he had now got his revenge.
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08-24-2004, 03:44 PM | #27 |
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But wouldnt the real test of the fellowship be if they could all keep their hands off the ring. It seems to me that that would be the truest test the fellowhsip would have to overcome. So she showed them what they could do withthe ring. Aragorn knew he was tempted so he didnt waver, and Legolas was an elf so he was tempted but he too knew that.
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08-24-2004, 04:47 PM | #28 |
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Yet all were strong of heart (with the possible exception of Boromir) so knew that the Ring was perilous so turned all deeds evil so even if Aragorn or Boromir had tried to use it to save Gondor it would have ended up with as Frodo says to Faramir 'two Minas Morguls grinning at each other.'
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08-24-2004, 05:45 PM | #29 |
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I don't think that would be the strongest test because if it was everyon would fail it. Galadriel greatest of the Noldor in Middle Earth, Gandalf the White a Maia of the Valar, Faramir of the hous of Denethor II! Everyone has their breaking point. Boromir I don't think was weak persay. I think he just hit his limit with the ring. Had Aragorn went all the way to Mordor he may have tried to get the ring. Frodo became weak at the end of the journy and took the ring for himself. The ring is not a test because it is not changable, the ring is too powerful for all save the Valar and the enigmatic Tom Bombadil. The ring may have been a part of the temptation, or test,of the fellowship but I don't think it was the entire question. I think it is even shown that it is not the whole "question" in that Tolkien gave explaination as to what Samwise had "seen" in his head. To go home and have a nice garden of his own with Rosie as his wife with children running about... With no mention of the ring. The "question" to each member of the fellowship was simply a choice between a great desire and the quest of the ring.
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08-24-2004, 06:35 PM | #30 |
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Actually, I doubt the Ring figured in many of the "temptations" except Boromir and perhaps Aragorn. More tempting to the others would be release from the burden, especially for Frodo, or, as was guessed, power and beauty in Gimli's case.
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08-24-2004, 11:10 PM | #31 |
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Well maybe that is not what tested them but everyone was still tempted by the ring. Just cause you knew the consequences doesnt mean you arre not tempted. I think maybe those tested in some way with the ring were Boromir, Legolas, Aragorn, and Frodo. Boromir and Aragorn to save Gondor, Legolas to save the elves, and Frodo to be rid of it.
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08-25-2004, 02:58 AM | #32 |
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Boromir could have been tempted with the Rule of Gondor as well and even to give himself the title, King.
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08-25-2004, 03:54 AM | #33 |
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yeah probably. I mean what more would he want. He wanted kingship. Im sure he always resented not being king of Gondor. Even if it was subliminal. Denethor probably felt this even more strongly.
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08-25-2004, 03:56 AM | #34 |
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I've said this in the Denethor, Boromir & Faramir thread. That when Boromir asked how many years does it take to make a steward king, Denethor replies Maybe less in a place of less royalty but in Gondor a thousand years would not suffice.
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yeah I totally agree. I mean he always wanted to be king but he did not have the blod. He probably alwasy thought that was unfair. And he thought that the ring might give him his oppurtunity.
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08-25-2004, 05:43 AM | #37 |
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Everyone was tmepted. No matter who you were or how much you knew of it. (except old tom bombadil and the valar) I mean Gandalf said he was tempted, Aragorn was tempted, Galadriel was tempted. I think tested and tempted go together in this instance. She was tested by the ring could eeasily be replaced with tempted and it would mean the same thing. No mattter who you were or what you knew of the ring it tempted you. That is why it was so powerful.
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08-25-2004, 07:14 AM | #39 |
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Thanks Artanis.. Yeah I think she tempted them with whaat they wanted and for many of them what they wanted could eb a cheived by the ring so that is wha they saw.
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