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I have to disagree with you, Radagast. The Silmarillion is an account of the First Age of Middle Earth. From the chapter "The Return of the Noldor":
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And Gwaihir's wingspan was 30 feet.
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![]() Well they can lift a Hobbit, through elf but I think they be big enough for someone to ride on the back of them
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youve forgoten Orthanc.
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![]() Let's use the Pythonesque POV here. Your basic coconut weighs, what, 2 to 3 pounds? The ability of a swallow to carry it is controversial, but it's not a big deal to an eagle.
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An eagle carried Dori and Bilbo apparently without effort (although Bilbo was upset at the time and might not have noticed their eagle was falling behind the others). And we also know that an eagle brought up "a small sheep" for the travelers to dine on. Which weighed more, the sheep or Dori/Bilbo? Encarta reportedly says that an adult sheep weighs between 165 and 440 pounds (2), so let's assume the small sheep weighed 165 pounds. My guess is that Dori/Bilbo weighed less, but we can do better than a guess. Dwalin's cloak fitted Bilbo well enough for him to wear it throughout the adventure (he brought it home and stored it in mothballs); it was only a little bit too big. So it's safe to assume hobbits are only a little bit smaller than dwarves. Maybe we can also assume that an adult hobbit who has been imbibing enough Ent draughts to have grown noticeably would be the same size as a dwarf. If that's true, then all is clear. Beregond said Pippin appeared to be "a lad of nine summers or so." The optimal height for a nine-year-old boy is 4 feet, 1 inch and weight 46.9 pounds. (3) Let's assume a similar height and weight for Dori, then. Bilbo would have been slightly smaller and weighed a bit less, but even if their weights matched, the eagle would only have been carrying 94 pounds, nowhere near the weight of that sheep. Right. The eagle that lifted the sheep, then, weighed some 330 pounds, and that gives us a bird 82-1/2 feet long and with a wing span of 192-1/2 feet. Oh-oh. Thorondor's wing span was "only" 180 feet [by comparison, the wing span of a B-1A bomber is just over 150 feet (4)]. Hmm . . . . OK, maybe Bilbo erred -- he hadn't eaten in days, his head was in a spin because of the height, and he'd already been rambling on about storks and forks. Maybe it was a lamb, not a small sheep. Your basic prize lamb weighs between 120 and 130 pounds (5). That gives us an eagle somewhere between between 60 and 65 feet long and with a wing span of 140 to almost 152 feet. Given the long time span between their time and Thorondor's, I'd go with the lower numbers. Still, that's a big bird. Quote:
All notes randomly gathered during a quick Google this morning; I can't vouch for any of them: (1)http://www.twilightbridge.com/hobbie...tionalbird.htm (2)http://www.ubcbakersfield.org/sermon...ts.8.26.01.htm (3)http://www.medindia.net/patients/cal...t_wt_chart.asp (4)http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/systems/b-1a.htm (5)http://extension.ag.uidaho.edu/ada/lambweigh.htm |
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Dwarves dont have the same height-weight ratio that humans do.
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![]() The word "ratio" makes me cringe, though (g). Had first attempted the sort of technical sci-babble M. Python indulged in re: sparrows, but a Net search quickly revealed that aerodynamics types do not speak the same English as the rest of us -- I hadn't a clue what they were talking about. Maybe one of the pilots among us might be able to do something in that vein...assuming we can work out this height:weight ratio business.
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i believe they weigh almost as much as we do.i do love mp though
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ya there probably the same height,
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