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The Nine and the Seven, as made, were not of differing sorts, though they may have had some slight differences in power. The change might have occurred when Sauron "corrupted" them. Sauron, who knows what he could have done? We do know that there was no difference between the effects of any of the Nine or the Seven in the reactions that they elicited from their victims.
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As said before the 3 elvish rings made by celebrimbor were sorta like feanor making the silmails. they were the height of their skill thus far. after them if sauron hadnt made the one ring, i assume celebrimbor would have still tried to make better rings but it would be a long time before anyone made a better ring
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It is more difficult to say with Celebrimbor. Considering the situation under which the Rings were made, and how abruptly the making came to a halt, I would argue that (considering he was Fëanor's grandson) had he been given more time before Sauron put on the One Ring, he would have most likely created something more powerful. Mere speculation, of course. Now, as to my last theory, I now have evidence! A miracle, no? Quote:
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what was? the fact that the mallorns started growing again?
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i think he meant the fact that it was so beautiful. legolas says that he's always wanted to visit lothlorien because its beauty is renowned throughout middle-earth
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12-15-2004, 05:45 AM | #30 |
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The whole point of making the 3 Rings in the first place was to slow down the effects of Time, and as a result, decay; which, for elves, is a cause for sadness.
Note Sam's comments about time seems to have stood still in Lorien, though Legolas puts a different perspective on it. Also, in "Of the Rings of Power" we are told that Sauron seduces the Elves of Eregion by exploiting their common fear - of fading. He says to them that he understands that they never left after the end of the First Age because they loved Midde-earth. He states that they could still continue to enjoy the mortal lands, whilst also creating a version of Valinor (i.e. where there is no decay). This is pretty much what triggers them to make the rings.
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12-15-2004, 12:29 PM | #32 |
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I was replying to the fact that someone said that Calelbrimbor could powerful Rings than the ones that were previously made and I was using Lorien before and after the diminshing of the three.
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I still don't know what your disagreeing with, TD.
Just because Lorien was preserved by Nenya does not mean that Celebrimbor could have made more rings later with more or different powers that were stronger, IMO. Manveru - I'm pretty sure that Feanor got to a part where he surpassed Mahtan. My guess would also be that no Elvish smith in the 2nd Age was more skilled than Celebrimbor, Feanor's grandson. I agree with you, however, that the Three were probably not the height of his ability. And congratulations on your 100+ posts.
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Okay. Sauron forged the One before the destruction of Numenor. In that time Celebrimbor made the three. Correct? If they were not the height of his power then why did he not forge more while Sauron was in Numenor that were the hieght of his skill?
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Well, maybe because Celebrimbor was dead.
TD, I just looked through that part of the Silm again, I must admit, my memory of it is not too clear... It seems that Sauron made the One Ring before going to and corrupting Numenor. He killed Celebrimbor before going as well.
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Oh!
So that's where my defence fails! But I still think that the Three were the height if his power.
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I did'nt remember that either, so I waited until someone looked it up. Don't have the Sil here... but then I see what you mean, TD
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Case of needing to brush up on your history
The best way to work out the chronology is to look in the Tale of Years in your copy of LoTR. Roughly during the middle of the 2nd Age the elves began to create the Rings of Power. Shortly after Sauron made the One. The elves found out and hid the 3 Rings from him. This started the first War of Sauron and the Elves, which continued until the Numenorean navy came to the rescue of Gil-galad. Sauron was defeated and began to concentrate his power to the East for the next few hundred years; until Ar-Pharazon came to ME and humbled Sauron.
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I think so Durin1. and thanks for the tips
but TD. I think Celebrimbor were capable of making more, and more powerfull rings. as someone said, he was atleast Feanors grandson( or is that also wrong ) so I think he had more power, more of this magic it would take to make these rings. the three already made was great, but not thge greatest. I think
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If Celebrimbor was capable of making more powerful Rings than the three he had already made then why did he not just flee Eregion and create more Rings that wouldn't be binded by the One? Instead he hid the three as if there sort would never again be made upon ME.
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