01-17-2003, 04:06 PM | #21 |
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She will probobly die normally
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After further thought, I don't think Faramir would choose to die when she does, because he will live maybe ten or twenty years more than her, not forever. Also because his father made him wary of falling into despair.
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Faramir died at the age of 120. Even though Éowyn had some of Númernors blood, I doubt that she could live longer than 110 years and die after Faramir (she was born almost ten years after Faramir).
Since Faramir was more "elvish" than Éowyn, he must have a shorter lifespan.
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Do you mean a longer lifespan?
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That's right, Faramir should have a longer life span than Éowyn, and Éowyn should have a shorter lifespan than Faramir.
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01-18-2003, 02:57 PM | #26 |
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Okay, I thought about it and Tolkien does not write enough about Faramir to tell, wether he would die with Eowyn or not.
But another thought is, that they maybe die normal and then come to the halls of Mandos. And Tolkien once wrote, that the Valar can allow died mortals to come to Valinor and live ther (then Immortal). So maybe, the both of them - as well as the rest of the important ring war people - were asked to come to Valinor. But that's only a guessing. What do you think?
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I don't think so. We can't have too many ex-mortals cluttering up Valinor, no precious.
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Mabe I'm mixing it up with The Book of Lost Tales, because there he wrote, that mortals can come to Valinor from Mandos' halls when they are invited from the Valar.
But I'm not quite sure if he keept this idea in the Silmarillion (I'm just reading the book of lost tales and maybe he droped that idea in later stories.)
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01-19-2003, 05:44 PM | #30 |
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I'm too lazy to look this up, so indulge me...I didn't think mortals got a choice about when to die. Mortality seems to imply the absence of control over death. Where in LOTR or the Silm. are death options for mortals described?
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Numenorians are blessed by having are very short, if swift decline.
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So Faramir could also choose to die, if he thinks that he is old enough and his life should be over (like all Numenoreans could).
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Yes I believe he could, and I think he would. But not until he had become old. I don't think he would lie himself down to die only because of the death of Eowyn. He had other obligations in the world.
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Maybe, but if was already old and maybe only lived on because Eowyn was still alive, he would have chosen death if she died. That would be an alternative opportunity.
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Yes, but if he was old and he had already passed on his duties, and Eowyn was still alive, then I think he would choose to die even before her. Like Aragorn, who could have chosen to stay alive with Arwen a few more years, but did not.
I have often wondered more about their life together than their death. Do you think they were happy together? Faramir was such a perfect Man, you would expect his marriage to be perfect also. But Eowyn, do you think she was really content with a quiet life in Ithilien? Somehow I doubt it.
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Didn't Eowyn renounce her ways and become a healer of some description? I'm sure this brought her a lot of "contentment".
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I love the fact that everybody seems to think, that Faramir was the perfect man. Where does that opinion come from? By the way I can't remember any bad habbits of him, too.
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