10-13-2004, 08:35 AM | #21 |
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What if there was in fact some sort of contact between Sauron and the Balrog of Moria?
Would it be in Sauron's best interest to keep the Balrog where he was? I can think of no better way to guard the passage than an angry Balrog. And with Saruman in control of the gap of Rohan, and Orcs holding the Northern Pass, any chance of help getting to Gondor from the West was slim. Unless a very powerful Maia came along. (Which he did).
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yes, that makes sense. noone can pass whitout Sauron knowing.
but what if Gandalf didn't slay the Balrog, would he(sauron) then force him out, if they had contact, to fight along his side in the battles? maybe at Minas thirith?
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The Balrog is not answerable to Sauron. Balrog's work for Morgoth, and they are maiar IIRC, as is Sauron.
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10-14-2004, 03:32 AM | #24 |
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The Balrog does not answer to Sauron as per se, but it was well known that Sauron was Morgoth's second-in-command.
I think that if Sauron had called, the Balrog would have come.
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10-14-2004, 02:04 PM | #25 |
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Maybe but that doesn't mean the Balrog had any allegiance to Sauron. They were Maiar to as was Sauron and their personal chief (Gothmog) was Morgoth's battle general so to speak.
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Thats the whole point, dear Dunedain. They where both Maiar. And gee, bugger... Gandalf.....Saruman......Radagast......wern't they maiar also? Not all Maiar agree or even consult each other. Races can have different sides, and not be in league. And kids....neither do Valar. God that's a goooood point
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The point was, Rad, that not ALL maiar and Valar confer or are in league. Balrogs and, say Gandalf, or Melian, or Sauron dont have to be in communication or league just because they are of the same race. Melkor is a Valar, and he and Tulkas dont quite see eye to eye, do they?
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How about...
What if he didn't want to be a "Hand-me-down" to soron?
(I think morgoth and soron are in some way related) I'm still herting from asking the balrog!
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Morgoth and Sauron were related only in the sense that they were both immortal, angelic (or, rather, demonic) beings. Also, I have often speculated that the Balrog didn't join Sauron was devilish pride. "Better to reign in Moria than serve in Mordor," to paraphrase Milton.
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that is profound, maybe the Balrog was just to stupid to get out of Moria??
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it was just an idea...
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who is Michael Martinez? ?
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01-09-2005, 11:06 AM | #36 |
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a mooter which has an awful lot of information about middel earth. he popps up sometimes, posts an awful lot of logic posts, and dissapear for some months. I guess he has not been on after you joined.
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nope i don't think i've ever seen any of his posts
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I enjoy his comment a lot. They always seem to make so much sence. It's a shame he keeps disappearing
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Well, we should consider the rent increase he would have had if he had upgraded to say, Osgiliath or Minas Morgul! And, he probably didn't want to move under the Misty Mountains with Gollum for a neighbor! So what choice did he have? Moria!
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