01-15-2002, 09:24 AM | #21 |
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Elu Thingol. In his later days, he seemed to be most righteous king in Arda. In the beginning he was a bit mean, though.
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01-15-2002, 10:21 AM | #22 |
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I would go for Turgon. I absolutely loved the idea of Gondolin, being hidden somewhere in the mountains.
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01-15-2002, 02:20 PM | #23 |
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Feanor...if you can get past all the Kinslaying and dooming his people to misery stuff.
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01-15-2002, 07:34 PM | #24 |
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A tie between Turgon and Finrod Felagund
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01-15-2002, 07:36 PM | #25 |
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btw, dosen't almost everyone except hobbits look down on dwarfs?
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01-15-2002, 07:49 PM | #26 |
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OUCH!
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About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer. |
01-16-2002, 06:29 PM | #27 |
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Finrod Felagund
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01-16-2002, 08:12 PM | #28 |
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That Felagund character has always been a favorite of mine as well.
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01-16-2002, 09:59 PM | #29 |
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Very good choice.
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01-16-2002, 10:23 PM | #30 |
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Poor Gil-galad doesn't seem to be very popular at all. I will cast a vote for him.
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01-16-2002, 10:45 PM | #32 |
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He IS sort of the Heimdall (nine mothers) of Middle-earth, is he not?
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01-16-2002, 10:52 PM | #33 |
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He( GIL) would be my second and Findrod my third.
As stated Fingolfin is my first. I guess I'm a sucker for the heroic end.
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01-17-2002, 12:04 PM | #35 |
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I guess my favorite of the elven Kings would be Fingolfin. I really was won over when, seeing that the Noldor would be defeated, Fingolfin rode across the An-Fauglith to the Gates of Angbad and blew his horn, challenging Morgoth to single combat.
Although he died in the ensuing melee, the fact he had just had enough of the Great Enemy butchering his people and went to finally "face his demons," as it were, calling Morgoth on the steps of his own fortress "craven" and a "coward", makes Fingolfin an elf after me own heart. Fingolfin may not have shown a lot of sense in riding off to challenge the greatest and most powerful of the Valar in mortal one-on-one combat, the fact he did not blanch or quail in the face of a much mightier opponent makes him, for me, my favorite Elf-King.
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01-17-2002, 12:31 PM | #37 |
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Hmmmm, SisterGoldenHair, I wasn't aware there was confusion as to either Gil-Galad's [Ereinion's] or Orodoreth's lineage. I just refer to the genealogical chart in the back of the Silmarillion [page 379, "The House of Finwe and the Noldorin descent of Elrond and Elros"] for reference. There it lists Gil-Galad/Ereinion as Fingon's son, and Orodreth as Finarfin's son. Also in the Index of Names, this lineage is repeated. However, I am curious: Do you recall perhaps where it might have been indicated otherwise?
By the way, Foul_Dwimmerlaik: A belated "Welcome to the Moot!"
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Most of this appears in the HoMe. some of it in Morgoth's Ring. Inoldonil can probably tell you exactly where. One interesting point is that in Unfinished Tales the brothers of Galadriel are listed excluding Orodreth.
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01-17-2002, 01:29 PM | #39 |
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Ah, I see, SisterGoldenHair. But this brings up an old question: If it says one thing in The Silmarillion, and another in the History of Middle-Earth, which one is "right," or maybe more precisely, which is "more correct"? Do we simply say it's inconsistent and not really answerable, or is one considered more reliable than the other. I don't really know.
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