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02-27-2005, 11:11 AM | #21 | ||
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I dont think that it really meant that, it could do, it's just what angle you look at it from. If we are looking at it from your point ofd view, yes Saruman well could assume that the Hobbits captured by the Uruks were in possesion of the ring, and hence Rohan now held it. It could be said that Sauron assumes the same, although that is off no conciqunce as he belives he will come back into his possesion at some point in time. But note that just before this line, it notes: Quote:
Its hard to interperate, you either look into it as far as you can, or just look at it at face value.
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02-27-2005, 11:41 AM | #22 | ||
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Even though no one was left alive to tell him, I think Saruman would figure out what happened when his army didn't come back. Maybe he even went to investigate himself - maybe that's why Gimli saw him in the forest. (Unless it was a confused and newly returned Gandalf.)
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02-28-2005, 06:48 AM | #23 | |
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Remember also that Aragorn turns up at Edoras, Wormtongue hears the title he claims, and then returns to Isengard. So Saruman knows about the Heir of Isildur, and so does Sauron. Of course, later on we have Pippin looking in the Palantir, we find out that Saruman has been withholding information from his Master, and it all culminates with Aragorn wresting control of the Palantir from Sauron. I think it's very subtle, very much in the background, but in this chapter we get the early strokes of the political backdrop to the Two Towers that makes sense of the whole War of the Ring. It's really top stuff, you know! |
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What also caught my attention was, even orcs are often discribed as 'wretched creatures', they themselves don't seem to feel so wretched at all. Okay, the orc's life is a hard one, you have to be careful - or daring- enough to keep your head on your shoulders. But they also seem to have a lot of 'fun' so to speak, even if their humour is somewhat darkish. Quote:
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07-01-2005, 12:21 AM | #25 | |
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On the other hand, a few days later, Frodo and Sam are taken prisoner by Gondor and to be borne off to Denethor and but for the disobedience of an heir who is heir only because the one ahead of him for succession died in battle against orcs, to his father who upon hearing of the disobedience cruelly punishes Faramir. Or am I pushing things a bit far? FB |
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07-02-2005, 12:31 PM | #26 | |
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07-19-2005, 04:33 AM | #27 | |
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Hello walthingie and welcome; there's an Introductions thread in General Messages where you can, er, introduce yourself if you like.
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09-02-2005, 04:38 PM | #28 |
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Hello all. This is not one of the original discussion points..butt..one thing that always intriqued me is the relative overall strength of Grishnakh and Ugluk. Clearly in the chapter, G's party is outnumbered and thus the agenda is set by U. During the confrontation U decapitates a couple of the Northern maggots and G lams. However what if they had gone head to head? U is probably physically stronger and bigger, but can you discount G's cunning, fangs, and long dangling arms? In terms of survival, G had a better idea than U and if not for a lucky shot by a Yellow Hair, might have made it. So what do you think: G or U?
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09-02-2005, 05:07 PM | #29 |
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In a square go, Ugluk every time. The hobbits were being taken to Isengard against Grishnakh's will. If he had been able, he would have killed Ugluk to prevent that from happening.
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09-05-2005, 06:52 PM | #30 |
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Ugluk. G was an orc, so he had cunning and malice. However, U had pure ruthlessness and brute strength. In a duel, he would just hammer incessantly at G.
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