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Anyway, we gave the palasitinies Autonomy (can't rmemeber when). Now they want a country (I'm not agaisnt that), but they want Jerusalem (NO!!! They won't get it!) and all the conquered lands from '67. (I don't have a problem with some lands. But there are already some cities there... I think they can't everything...) Quote:
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thats what i meant.
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It's ridiculous of them to want Jerusalem! It might be helpful if anyone happens to have a map they could post that details some of the disputed areas.
It reminds me a little of the American Civil War (I know it isn't the same, but this aspect reminds me of it) -- that the one side wants to make part of the other side's land into their own country, but is it better to just have them all be citizens of one country, or is it better to draw a line, make them separate countries, and have that contention along the border constantly (like it used to be in Germany, and is currently in North/ South Korea), and possibly not even then achieving peace? In the case of the ACW, the answer was pretty obvious, but in this case, the religious aspect is so devisive that maybe integration wouldn't work, unless they stuck with it and eventually it became no big deal. |
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This vicious circle of hate and fundamentalism will never be broken. The hawks among the Israeli hate the Palestinians and the hawks among the Palestinians hate the Israeli and as long as the state of Israel exist the hostilities will continue for ever.
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It's the Palestinians and other Arab countries which keep the hatred alive. How would you feel about Norway if norwegians kept coming over to Sweden and blowing up buses, restaurants, etc? I bet you wouldn't trust Norwegians very much. I also bet you would demand your government to take action against them to protect you. I know if canada and Mexico were doing this to the US - I would demand my government to take action against them. I think it is a lot to ask of Israel not to take action - while their citizens are purposely targeted and PUBLIC buses are blown up.
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There are always fringe groups which are never happy. There were fringe groups after America won the revolution, there werre fringe groups after the Soviet Union disolved. It is up to the majority - the people who want PEACE in the Arab world to take a stand. To stand up for both sides and say enough is enough. They need to take control of the radical groups. That is the only thing that will bring peace. Even after ALL the attempts by Hamas - the Palestinians and Israelis are still meeting. I have faith that with HARD work and perseverence that peace can come to the region. If it doesn't - then innocent people will continue to die on both sides. If it doesn't - then peace in the west will be at stake too.
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I fear that wolf may be right. I had this idea that if you empowered the palestinian people by giving them land, it would destabilise the hamas (because the fact of the matter is that the vaccuum that the palestinian people are in has created these extremists), however, the last few days have shown me that neither side really wants peace, and probably won't be happy until the total extermination of the other is achieved. And even if this weren't so, but sides have breached the trust, so if it does happen, it's going to take a lot of work, and I don't think a simplistic approach is going to work, because in order for anything to happen, both sides have to co-operate, and I don't see that happening. I really don't know what the solution is.
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I agree with Hobbit - how can you say that Israel wants the total or even a partial extermination of the Palestinians? They have lived side by side in peace within Israel. There are Palestinians living peacefully in Israel. Also - that vacuum that the Palestinians have found themselves in is because of the war against Israel which the Arab nations waged and then was followed up by the PLO - and has now been continued by Hamas. If none of that happened - the Palestinians would now have a very nice homeland and country. Instead the Arab world wants the total elimination of Israel. Quote:
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What exactly was the peace plana proposed by Bush?
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Road To Peace? Also - as I have stated - talks are still underway. Even during this time of violence - both sides seem to be working to try to bring peace about.. Quote:
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