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What did you think of Anwacurufinwe, called Anwa by his father. Elrond was the first to call him feanor.
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07-25-2006, 03:55 PM | #24 | |
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... yeah cele-baby was a trouble maker ...ol' Gilly-la had some fire in his belly ... not so much of a nonce in my book ... best all, BB |
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07-25-2006, 04:20 PM | #25 |
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You think Gil would beat Cel's.
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07-25-2006, 04:28 PM | #26 |
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basically, yeh.
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07-25-2006, 05:36 PM | #27 |
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I think Cel would chop Gil up into small little pieces, roast him and with his own spear eat him like a shish kabob. Uhmmm, yum.
Then he would be king uncontested; gangsta like.
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07-25-2006, 05:41 PM | #28 |
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but seriously though, could you imagine Gil-galad with aeglos fighting Celebrimbor with the rings of power. Not to mention whatever sword he made would be the greatest sword ever made and forget about the armor; I think Gil-galad would fare better against sauron.
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07-25-2006, 06:29 PM | #29 |
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i would choose Gil-galid, supposing that we are meant to pick which one would make a better king...too much readin' for me...
anyway, Celebrimbor couldn't bring himself to destroy his "precious" rings, whilst Gil-galid freely gave his to elrond...strong will and do-gooding...
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07-25-2006, 06:47 PM | #30 |
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Ah, but remember Cel did give them freely away, to Gil, Cirdin and alatiriel. I do not think he would have hesitated to destroy them if he deemed it neccessary, he certainly was not another Isildur.
I respect your choice as king, alot of mooters like Gil it woud seem. Dont' get me wrong, I thought he lived up well to the house of Finwe. But he would still get chopped up and eaten like a shish kabaab.
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Isildur was a person that the Elves later loved to blame, readily forgetting their own involvement in the Ring-Project. But Isildur was a mere Man, having little understanding of the Rings scheme and their powers. He was temporarily blinded by the power of the One, by his own pride and by grief for his father and brother. By the way, I say "temporarily" not at random, as in two years, just before his death, Isildur seriously considered giving the Ring back to the keepers of the Three. He said to his son: Quote:
After he discovered the existence of the One and the true identity of his dearest friend Annatar, he had ALL the rings but the One in his possession for 100 years (1600-1697). He could end all the project at once by destroying the 19 rings - saving the Second and the Third Age from a lot of calamities. But he didn't do it. Quote:
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07-27-2006, 11:01 AM | #32 | |
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I do not think he was merely "besotted" with the three as he was more reluctant to give them to Sauron who would use them to evil purposes with devastating effect; the three were indeed the rings of power, as was illustrated by Elrond at the ford. The others where of far lesser make, and while they controlled the bearer, they had no power over those without.
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While your points about Isildur bear some merit, still none can deny he had the greatest chance to destroy the the one, yet faltered at the most critical point. Even Galadriel refused the one, and Mithrindir, do you believe Celebrimbor would have made the same mistake, he who first rejected the one in the beggining, nay good sir/madame, nay. I will also point out that, it was more of strategic reasoning than anything else for wanting to destroy the the three, as keeping them means the risk of their capture.
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Nobody would have accepted a member of the House of Fëanor as High King of the Noldor. And frankly, as much as I love that House, I don't blame them.
Would Celebrimbor have been better than Gil-Galad? I don't think so. I think he was clearly vulnerable to the same weakness that took down his grandfather in the end: love for the creations of his own hands. Not to mention, he surely seems to have had all the pride and self-certainty for which his House is known: anyone who would accept the counsel of Sauron would not have what it takes to be High King. Given the track record of the House of Fëanor, I can't imagine him actually wanting that sort of position. And if he had... well, that sort of desire really would have proven that he wasn't fit for it. Quote:
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Say not that no Noldo would accept Celembrimbor as high king, for even Galadriel cared for and respected him greatly and she is more than elvin wise; the same who rejected Feanor from the outset. Even ages before that, in Naugrothond he was held in high esteem.
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And, of course, you could also say they were all just following Fëanor's orders... which is true enough, if not a good justification. Quote:
Secondly, Galadriel being "elven wise" might have been part of the reason she was able to look past his family history (along with the fact that they were cousins). I doubt that enough of the other remaining Noldor would have been wise enough to do the same. Where does it say he was held in high esteem in Nargothrond, by the way? I don't really remember him being spoken of as more than an afternote, most of the time. But I suppose I am a bit rusty now...
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Just maybe...
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Gil-Galad for high king. He has a cool song about him.
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Besides the curse was laid to rest after the last battle - see landroval.
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in that case, it wouldn't matter because then there wouldn't be anything againsy either of them being high king.
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