01-12-2005, 05:43 PM | #21 |
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hypothetical was the word you were looking for...
Hmm...wraiths as produced by the stab of a nazgul blade? maybe you should broaden the category of things to dicuss to include other undeadish being such as the barrow wights, and the dead marshes...? |
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Excellent point.
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Are there wraiths in the dead marshes?
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It's just that, to me, wraiths, barrow wights, and the dead marshes all seem to share the commonality of being something that is not quite dead in a very eerie way. |
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Me9996, have you read the books, or just seen the movies?
This thread could go a couple of ways, depending on if you're trying to base your ideas on the pure, unchanged books or on how Peter Jackson represented the books. |
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I've always wanted to ask this question, so here goes... I know that Barrow-wights are not the same as Nazgul, but as Tolkien first thought of LoTR, appeared very much the same, so, are Barrow-wights in anyway the same as Nazgul, or perhaps distant cousins of the spectral world??
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Wow... this has got to be one of the weirdest threads I've read. And that's really saying something.
As long as we're talking about wraiths, what exactly is the wraith-world?
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But what exactly is the spirit world? Or is it just a simplified way of signifying people who no longer had physical presence in the world (such as the Houseless)... or those like the Eldar who would eventually fade and become invisible to mortal eyes? Is that what it means?
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Was that in the Sil? Hm, I'll have to go check later. I know I've seen it somewhere...
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From the Silmarillion. Houghton Mifflin Edition. 1977
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We have a discussion going at SF-Fandom about the Wraith-world and how Sam was able to see in it. It seems to be another aspect to Arda, where physical bodies do not appear, and the spirit is percieved in its true character. Remember, the Ring actually spoke to Gollum in the spirit world on Mount Doom.
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Another reference in LOTR: the orcs refer to being stripped of their bodies and left naked under the Eye "on the other side".
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But otherwise I think that it is alot like this one.
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