Anyone else shead a tear? - Page 2

ragamuffin92 · 01-12-2002, 08:57 PM

When you think about it, almost all of the Silmarillion and the trilogy is sad. Right from the beginning, Morgoth and Shelob's great-great-great-great-etc grandmother kill the trees, Feanor and his people rebel, the elves kill each other, etc. Later on, Numenor sinks, elves, men, and and dwarves don't trust each other, some humans follow Morgoth. The whole history of men and elves, especially the tales about Beren and Luthien and the Silmarils, the saga of Turin Turumbar and his family. The list goes on and on.
In the trilogy, the entwives are missing, the dwarves are dwindling, the elves are losing their desire to remain in Middle Earth. The whole thing is tragic, in a lot of ways. I noticed this more in my most recent read-through. Coincidentally, I was reading the TT during the Sept 11 attack on NYC (about 40 miles from my home). I drew a definite emotional parallel between what the terrorists did and what Sauron and Saruman were doing to the people of Middle Earth. For all the wonderful things in Professor T's creation, it can also be a tough read.

Gimly · 01-13-2002, 10:46 AM

The most

part in the movie was, strangely, wher, at Revendell, everybody was fighting and shouting and then Frodo got up and said that he'll take the ring. It was so sad... Boromir's death was touching too, with those three arrows "RUN!!!" he shouted...

lorien · 01-14-2002, 05:35 PM

I cried when I realized that Frodo and the other Ring bearers wouldn't be back, they were dead for the Middle Earth.
Tears come to my eyes each time I imagine the boats disappearing in the grey sea. It's the most beautiful and sad metaphor of death I've ever read.
Lorien

Elfstone. · 01-15-2002, 02:46 PM

Sorry bout bringing around all your tears again, its' just where i live no one is in to LOTR cept for my dad who i refer to as the master, he has read it twice a year since he was 17 hes now 45 you do the math, HE IS THE MASTER. Him and I are the only ones that connect with it, so sorry again but i had to know if there were other intelligent people out there who are able to admit to there emotions also.

Happy hunting and i'm bringing a frikin kleenex box to the next to movies.

Elfstone err
Crybaby ELfstone

ragamuffin92 · 01-15-2002, 03:00 PM

Don't be sorry--that's what boards like this are for. Ain't it great!!

***Earniel*** · 01-15-2002, 05:04 PM

I think I know how you feel Elfstone. My parents and sister have all read the book, seen the movie, but to them, that's that. The only one i know who goes a bit further than that is an old friend of mine. But she's always so incredibly busy and she hardly has time to mail me once in 3 weeks. That's why I came here in the first place.

And I'm glad too I wasn't the only one crying at the Grey Havens.

Elfstone. · 01-16-2002, 09:21 AM

Boards are awesome for that sort of thing it just sucks that we'll never know any of the people on this board in real life.

Good times.

Elfstone.

p.s.lets start that blubberingclub mentioned before

ragamuffin92 · 01-16-2002, 09:32 AM

Just think of your computer as a palantir (without live visuals, unfortunately), and this board as a "central seeing-stone switchboard."

Agburanar · 01-16-2002, 09:37 AM

Without doubt the saddest ending to a book that I can remember, but not one without hope. If you listen to the very end of the radio play I don't think anyone would be unmoved, it is the perfect ending.

Gandalf the White · 01-16-2002, 11:26 AM

For me, without a doubt, the saddest story in all of Tolkein's books is the story of Beren and Luthien followed straight away by the story Turin!

Both those stories are so, so sad and rarely does a book move me to tears. First time I read LotR also, the death of Gandalf was sad and so was it when Sam and Frodo come out of Mt Doom and just lie down - very sad indeed.

From the movie, I really liked the Gandalf death scene and especially the reaction of the non-Tolkein reading audience, who were just shocked. And the end with Frodo going on his own to Mordor was sad.

More of it I hope.

ragamuffin92 · 01-16-2002, 03:46 PM

You're right, Gandalf, the mourning after you, er the MOVIE Gandalf died was very moving, even to those of us who know the WHOLE story. Another job well done by PJ.

Binky The Clown · 01-16-2002, 04:54 PM

I agree with Ragamuffin92. The whole series is sad and depressing, especially in The Silmarillion. About nothing really goes right, and everybody is dying and stuff... But I never really cried though. I almost did.

ragamuffin92 · 01-16-2002, 04:59 PM

Well, Binky, I didn't exactly say the books were depressing, just sad. I guess you're not one of those HAPPY clowns, huh?

Arathorn · 01-16-2002, 11:07 PM

Regarding those who passed on to the grey havens, i feel said, yes....

but not for them...

for they move on to the west where there is no sadness..

perhaps for folk such as sam who was left behind...

I later found out somewhere that he also passed to the west after many years....

The saddest I think are of those who faded in middle earth, such as arwen as well as the ents...i still would like to think that they were united with the entwives in som forest only Tom knows...

ragamuffin92 · 01-16-2002, 11:19 PM

Arathorn, have you ever read (and I'm sure you have) the account ofArwen and Aragorn'sold age and passing? It must have been the Silmarillion, but I'm not sure. ANOTHER bitter slice of life. Kind of says that for all the glory, honor, etc, in the life of the king and queen, they were still not a whole lot different from us.

Arathorn · 01-16-2002, 11:29 PM

Yes I did read about what happened to Aragorn and Arwen...

Aragorn had the better end of the deal..

Arwen outlived Aragorn and was left all alone in Lorien.

Forgive me for digressing again but it does remind me of that Highlander series. You outlive the ones you love.

athelas · 01-17-2002, 07:46 AM

I almost cried when I first read the part where Frodo is reunited with Sam, and when he snatches the ring back from him and sees him as an orc, but when the vision fades he sees Sam at his feet in tears,"as if he had been stabbed in the heart..." That was sad.

I was also rather sad at the part (And ive been known to be rather emotionless..) where Sam carries Frodo and crawls up the mountain, even though he was in pain. "And I'll carry Mr Frodo up myself, if it breaks my back and heart...":*/

luinilwen · 01-17-2002, 08:34 AM

are you sure aragorn and arwen's aging and passing is in the silmarillion? i thought it finished at the same point that LOTR did - at the end of the third age. wouldn't aragorn and arwen be in the fourth age? i'm probably wrong, i haven't finished the silmarillion yet

luinilwen · 01-17-2002, 08:37 AM

but yes, i was blubbering all through the book at mournful parts, at joyful parts, at humorous parts and at words of vast wisdom. and i very rarely cry, reading books, watching movies, getting a boo boo on my knee...

Menelvagor · 01-17-2002, 08:42 AM

Luinilwen, the passage of Aragorn and Arwen is in appendix A of LotR, It's probably also in the Sil, but I haven't finished it yet either.

01-13-2002, 10:46 AM	#22
Gimly Enting Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Here Posts: 53	The most part in the movie was, strangely, wher, at Revendell, everybody was fighting and shouting and then Frodo got up and said that he'll take the ring. It was so sad... Boromir's death was touching too, with those three arrows "RUN!!!" he shouted... __________________ Five exclamation marks, the sure sign of an insane mind.

01-15-2002, 02:46 PM	#24
Elfstone. Hobbit Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Toronto, Canada. Posts: 37	Oops what have I done... Sorry bout bringing around all your tears again, its' just where i live no one is in to LOTR cept for my dad who i refer to as the master, he has read it twice a year since he was 17 hes now 45 you do the math, HE IS THE MASTER. Him and I are the only ones that connect with it, so sorry again but i had to know if there were other intelligent people out there who are able to admit to there emotions also. Happy hunting and i'm bringing a frikin kleenex box to the next to movies. Elfstone err Crybaby ELfstone __________________ "Now in the very hour of his great designs the heir of Isildur and the Sword are revealed; for I showed the blade re-forged to him. He is not so mighty yet that he is above fear; nay, doubt ever gnaws him." - When Aragorn son of Arathorn looks Sauron straight in the eyes and Sauron cowers. Anduril flaming in my right hand. The Palantir's blue eminating glow in my left hand. 3500 Year's of Kingly Numenorean bloodline flowing through my veins. Who's your Tyler Durden, now? Christ Reigns. Romans 10:9 Ephesians 6 Psalm 91

01-15-2002, 03:00 PM	#25
ragamuffin92 Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: New York State Posts: 309	Oh, Elfstone... Don't be sorry--that's what boards like this are for. Ain't it great!! __________________ FRODO LIVES!! (sung to the tune of "My Boyfriend's Back") Now, Gandalf's back, and you're gonna be in trouble (Hey-la, hey-la---Now, Gandalf's back) Soon, Barad-dur is gonna be a pile of rubble (Hey-la, hey-la---Now, Gandalf's back)

01-16-2002, 09:21 AM	#27
Elfstone. Hobbit Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Toronto, Canada. Posts: 37	Sweet now we can talk.. Boards are awesome for that sort of thing it just sucks that we'll never know any of the people on this board in real life. Good times. Elfstone. p.s.lets start that blubberingclub mentioned before __________________ "Now in the very hour of his great designs the heir of Isildur and the Sword are revealed; for I showed the blade re-forged to him. He is not so mighty yet that he is above fear; nay, doubt ever gnaws him." - When Aragorn son of Arathorn looks Sauron straight in the eyes and Sauron cowers. Anduril flaming in my right hand. The Palantir's blue eminating glow in my left hand. 3500 Year's of Kingly Numenorean bloodline flowing through my veins. Who's your Tyler Durden, now? Christ Reigns. Romans 10:9 Ephesians 6 Psalm 91

01-16-2002, 09:32 AM	#28
ragamuffin92 Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: New York State Posts: 309	Just think of your computer as a palantir (without live visuals, unfortunately), and this board as a "central seeing-stone switchboard." __________________ FRODO LIVES!! (sung to the tune of "My Boyfriend's Back") Now, Gandalf's back, and you're gonna be in trouble (Hey-la, hey-la---Now, Gandalf's back) Soon, Barad-dur is gonna be a pile of rubble (Hey-la, hey-la---Now, Gandalf's back)

01-12-2002, 08:57 PM	#21
ragamuffin92 Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: New York State Posts: 309	When you think about it, almost all of the Silmarillion and the trilogy is sad. Right from the beginning, Morgoth and Shelob's great-great-great-great-etc grandmother kill the trees, Feanor and his people rebel, the elves kill each other, etc. Later on, Numenor sinks, elves, men, and and dwarves don't trust each other, some humans follow Morgoth. The whole history of men and elves, especially the tales about Beren and Luthien and the Silmarils, the saga of Turin Turumbar and his family. The list goes on and on. In the trilogy, the entwives are missing, the dwarves are dwindling, the elves are losing their desire to remain in Middle Earth. The whole thing is tragic, in a lot of ways. I noticed this more in my most recent read-through. Coincidentally, I was reading the TT during the Sept 11 attack on NYC (about 40 miles from my home). I drew a definite emotional parallel between what the terrorists did and what Sauron and Saruman were doing to the people of Middle Earth. For all the wonderful things in Professor T's creation, it can also be a tough read.

01-14-2002, 05:35 PM	#23
lorien Sapling Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 1	I cried when I realized that Frodo and the other Ring bearers wouldn't be back, they were dead for the Middle Earth. Tears come to my eyes each time I imagine the boats disappearing in the grey sea. It's the most beautiful and sad metaphor of death I've ever read. Lorien

01-15-2002, 05:04 PM	#26
*Earniel* The Chocoholic Sea Elf Administrator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: N?n in Eilph (Belgium) Posts: 14,363	I think I know how you feel Elfstone. My parents and sister have all read the book, seen the movie, but to them, that's that. The only one i know who goes a bit further than that is an old friend of mine. But she's always so incredibly busy and she hardly has time to mail me once in 3 weeks. That's why I came here in the first place. And I'm glad too I wasn't the only one crying at the Grey Havens.

01-16-2002, 09:37 AM	#29
Agburanar Elf Lord Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Dorset Posts: 608	Without doubt the saddest ending to a book that I can remember, but not one without hope. If you listen to the very end of the radio play I don't think anyone would be unmoved, it is the perfect ending.

01-16-2002, 11:26 AM	#30
Gandalf the White Sapling Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 5	For me, without a doubt, the saddest story in all of Tolkein's books is the story of Beren and Luthien followed straight away by the story Turin! Both those stories are so, so sad and rarely does a book move me to tears. First time I read LotR also, the death of Gandalf was sad and so was it when Sam and Frodo come out of Mt Doom and just lie down - very sad indeed. From the movie, I really liked the Gandalf death scene and especially the reaction of the non-Tolkein reading audience, who were just shocked. And the end with Frodo going on his own to Mordor was sad. More of it I hope. __________________ "Deserves it! I daresay he does. Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends ..."

01-16-2002, 03:46 PM	#31
ragamuffin92 Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: New York State Posts: 309	You're right, Gandalf, the mourning after you, er the MOVIE Gandalf died was very moving, even to those of us who know the WHOLE story. Another job well done by PJ. __________________ FRODO LIVES!! (sung to the tune of "My Boyfriend's Back") Now, Gandalf's back, and you're gonna be in trouble (Hey-la, hey-la---Now, Gandalf's back) Soon, Barad-dur is gonna be a pile of rubble (Hey-la, hey-la---Now, Gandalf's back)

01-16-2002, 04:54 PM	#32
Binky The Clown Sapling Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Land of Cheese Posts: 13	I agree with Ragamuffin92. The whole series is sad and depressing, especially in The Silmarillion. About nothing really goes right, and everybody is dying and stuff... But I never really cried though. I almost did.

01-16-2002, 04:59 PM	#33
ragamuffin92 Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: New York State Posts: 309	Well, Binky, I didn't exactly say the books were depressing, just sad. I guess you're not one of those HAPPY clowns, huh? __________________ FRODO LIVES!! (sung to the tune of "My Boyfriend's Back") Now, Gandalf's back, and you're gonna be in trouble (Hey-la, hey-la---Now, Gandalf's back) Soon, Barad-dur is gonna be a pile of rubble (Hey-la, hey-la---Now, Gandalf's back)

01-16-2002, 11:07 PM	#34
Arathorn Bard of Mangled Songs Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: West of Middle Earth...oh alright...Manila Posts: 2,679	Regarding those who passed on to the grey havens, i feel said, yes.... but not for them... for they move on to the west where there is no sadness.. perhaps for folk such as sam who was left behind... I later found out somewhere that he also passed to the west after many years.... The saddest I think are of those who faded in middle earth, such as arwen as well as the ents...i still would like to think that they were united with the entwives in som forest only Tom knows... __________________ Power attracts the corruptible. Absolute power attracts the absolutely corruptible. -Missionaria Protectiva, Frank Herbert *Accio, Ash Nazg!* Elennuru s?la lúmenn' omentielvo* (The Death Star shines on the hour of our meeting) - Darth Arathorn Put aside the ranger... Start looking for Mumakil action figures...

01-16-2002, 11:19 PM	#35
ragamuffin92 Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: New York State Posts: 309	Arathorn, have you ever read (and I'm sure you have) the account ofArwen and Aragorn'sold age and passing? It must have been the Silmarillion, but I'm not sure. ANOTHER bitter slice of life. Kind of says that for all the glory, honor, etc, in the life of the king and queen, they were still not a whole lot different from us. __________________ FRODO LIVES!! (sung to the tune of "My Boyfriend's Back") Now, Gandalf's back, and you're gonna be in trouble (Hey-la, hey-la---Now, Gandalf's back) Soon, Barad-dur is gonna be a pile of rubble (Hey-la, hey-la---Now, Gandalf's back) Last edited by ragamuffin92 : 01-16-2002 at 11:21 PM.

01-16-2002, 11:29 PM	#36
Arathorn Bard of Mangled Songs Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: West of Middle Earth...oh alright...Manila Posts: 2,679	Yes I did read about what happened to Aragorn and Arwen... Aragorn had the better end of the deal.. Arwen outlived Aragorn and was left all alone in Lorien. Forgive me for digressing again but it does remind me of that Highlander series. You outlive the ones you love. __________________ Power attracts the corruptible. Absolute power attracts the absolutely corruptible. -Missionaria Protectiva, Frank Herbert *Accio, Ash Nazg!* Elennuru s?la lúmenn' omentielvo* (The Death Star shines on the hour of our meeting) - Darth Arathorn Put aside the ranger... Start looking for Mumakil action figures...

01-17-2002, 07:46 AM	#37
athelas Enting Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: The Twilight Meres Posts: 87	I almost cried when I first read the part where Frodo is reunited with Sam, and when he snatches the ring back from him and sees him as an orc, but when the vision fades he sees Sam at his feet in tears,"as if he had been stabbed in the heart..." That was sad. I was also rather sad at the part (And ive been known to be rather emotionless..) where Sam carries Frodo and crawls up the mountain, even though he was in pain. "And I'll carry Mr Frodo up myself, if it breaks my back and heart...":/ __________________ Farewell sweet earth and nortern sky, for ever blest,since here did lie and here with lissom limbs did run beneath the Moon, beneath the Sun, Lùthien Tinùviel more fair than mortal tongue can tell. Though all to ruin fell the world and were dissolved and backward hurled unmade into old abyss, yet were its making good, for this-- the dusk, the dawn, the earth, the sea-- that Lùthien for a time should be. "I am glad you are here with me. Here at the end of all things, Sam."-Frodo FRODO LIVES!!!* (erm...Sam does too, right?)

01-17-2002, 08:34 AM	#38
luinilwen Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Sydney AUSTRALIA Posts: 368	are you sure aragorn and arwen's aging and passing is in the silmarillion? i thought it finished at the same point that LOTR did - at the end of the third age. wouldn't aragorn and arwen be in the fourth age? i'm probably wrong, i haven't finished the silmarillion yet

01-17-2002, 08:37 AM	#39
luinilwen Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Sydney AUSTRALIA Posts: 368	but yes, i was blubbering all through the book at mournful parts, at joyful parts, at humorous parts and at words of vast wisdom. and i very rarely cry, reading books, watching movies, getting a boo boo on my knee...

01-17-2002, 08:42 AM	#40
Menelvagor Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: lurking on the edge of conversations Posts: 924	Luinilwen, the passage of Aragorn and Arwen is in appendix A of LotR, It's probably also in the Sil, but I haven't finished it yet either.