11-03-2003, 09:02 PM | #21 |
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This is an interesting argument. Personally, I think you are all right to a degree, but none of you are totally right. (and what I'm about to say probably isn't right either, but oh well)
The movies had no choice but to use all those action sequences. Had the scenes from the book been left out, there would be an even greater outcry that PJ had butchered the films. Yes, he added the warg battle - but I personally like that scene a lot. ( I could have done without the cliff fall, though) It could definitely be argued that Helms Deep drug on a bit. But I would argue that there had to be a center, main plot for the middle movie...something to be the driving force while all the peripheral things were happening. I think it succeeded, though there are many smaller things within this decision that I didn't like. To have a movie that is within 3 hours and the ridiculously large amount of material to cover, you are faced with very tough decisions. Some would say, "then why add the warg battle," but I think it worked ok. The Aragorn/Arwen thing was very questionable, though. Anyway, nearly all the action scenes were from the books and necessary. The character development has been addressed and vastly improved upon in the extended cut (FOTR) and most likely will be with TTT as well. Cheers, BOM
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11-03-2003, 09:46 PM | #22 |
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true there is no way to please everybody. But what jackson did was take elements essential to the stories plot and combine it with material that would draw non readers to the movies as well. Some say it is pointless action, but that is not so. PJ either had to
1. make a straight from the book story, which would satisfy a few "True Tolkein Followers" or 2. add some good entertaining action that would produce good scenes and even maybe dissappoint a "few" people by not having it adhere exactly from how Tolkein told it In scenario two the show is much more entertaining while keeping the same story (mostly), and making a show that many many more people would enjoy. and I guess scenario 3 would be for PJ to never make the trilogy. |
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so if jackson came out with new footage, that was true with Tolkein and he added it to the movies he made, lets say he deleted arwens scene inserted glorfindel instead, things like that, it wouldn't satisfy you because it wasn't in the "official" movie?
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11-03-2003, 11:01 PM | #28 |
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Anyways it doesn't matter. Back on subject. Even though Jackson may have changed some of the smallest things into some sort of action, most of all it worked. For example it is quite beleivable that at the council of elrond that there would be contention between the elves and dwarves, and what should be done about the ring. It made it seem more believable, for the screen. I don't agree that Jackson thought that his ideas overruled Tolkeins, but that some instances things should be changed to appear better on the screen. If you catch my meaning. But there can be no excuse for helms deep. But other than that the changes were good, and acceptable.
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11-03-2003, 11:34 PM | #29 |
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A good debate over the effectiveness of the Nazgul. These creatures weren't just brought out from the Grey Heavens, they were tourmented and tortured with the rings they bore for hundreds of years. These creatures want the ring and long for it daily. I think that if I were stuck between living and death forever I would want to kill something too. The portrail of Nazgul as fear driven creatures is ubsurd these guys want some revenge. Jackson does do a good job.
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As for your nazgul question - the nazgul weren't out for revenge - they were controlled by Sauron and the Ring. No where did Tolkien ever indicate they were physical in their actions. They were a psychological terror and instilled fear in people.
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And I agree that the action scenes in the movies was over done many times. All the action scenes in the books were blown up and made bigger in the movies.
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Originally posted by Jerseydevil
"Sorry - but there seems to be a lot of BB look-a-likes on the board lately. Let's see - there is Thranduil, Cassius and now you - all sound the same as BB. As I said in another thread - I wouldn't put it past him to create additonal names to make it seem like he has supporters." _________________________________________________ Interesting theory. It is curious that all three appeared virtually simultaneously, sound the same, and one keeps misspelling Tolkien (for deception?). Of course, it could be a coincidence? __________________________________________________ ________________________________________________ Originally posted by Jerseydevil "As for your nazgul question - the nazgul weren't out for revenge - they were controlled by Sauron and the Ring. No where did Tolkien ever indicate they were physical in their actions. They were a psychological terror and instilled fear in people." ________________________________________________ Correct. Although they could take physical actions, apparently they fought the Rangers at the fords at Tharbad in daylight (unsuccessfully). And the movie Hobbit headlopping was a bit much, and illogical if they were trying to keep their mission quiet.
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You are all worrying about nothing. Me and Cassius are not BB. Unless BB has two computers navigating both users, since me and cassius are both here.
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It would be interesting to see all of you on at the same time.
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