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12-04-2003, 12:14 PM | #21 |
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12-04-2003, 12:20 PM | #22 | |
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12-04-2003, 03:44 PM | #23 | |
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12-04-2003, 04:06 PM | #24 | |
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You have captured my exact feelings. I could not have said it any better. Kudos to BB for being so *brave* to strike against the purists . |
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12-04-2003, 04:12 PM | #25 | |
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Since you call us the purists with a deragatory tone and get away with it - I think we should call the obsessive movies fans - "movie morons" or mm for short. So from now on - BB - is the leader of the MM gang.
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12-04-2003, 04:14 PM | #26 | |
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The movie fans only, need to stop actiing as though PJ created LotRs when it was JRR Tolkien.
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12-04-2003, 04:48 PM | #27 |
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For my own part, I am not a purist. I love these books dearly but find myself capable of equally enjoying a cinematic adaptation that perhaps could be most honestly described as '''loosely based" on the trilogy. Yes, I would have preferred a more faithful adaptation of the Professor's work, but this does not prevent me from enjoying LOTR in either medium. I simply regard each incarnation as a distinct entity, certainly giving primacy of place to the epic Tolkien penned, but making no apology for my childish glee as I sit down to yet another viewing of an installment ( I've seen each film about ten times so far). And there I leave it.
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12-04-2003, 04:55 PM | #28 |
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Lord of the Rings the movies - even if they were NOT Lord of the Rings - would not be my favorite or even close to my favorite movies. I don't think they are very good. As for saruman just disappearing and not being resolved - that is just sloppy. if it wasn't for the name - I would probably not even being going to see them in the theater - or if i was planning on it - and I missed them - it would be no big deal.
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12-04-2003, 07:30 PM | #29 |
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Perhaps some of us movie-lovers have a few teensy-weensy little habits that might annoy some of the rest of you, but you Tolkien book purists out there need to take a long hard look in the mirror at yourselves.
I see... 1. posters who are quick to point out that they weren't looking for a strict interpretation of the books and then in the next breath go on and on and on and ON about the things they hated that were changed. 2. posters who tell us at least ten bajillion times a day that Jackson is "a hack who only gave us a mindless action flick." I don't mind opposing views but PLEEEEEEEEEASE give us some variety! 3. posters who talk about how the films should have been more like the books but make it clear with their posts that they really never clearly understood the books they profess to love so much. 4. posters who appear unable or unwilling to even acknowledge the massive popularity and critical acclaim of the Jackson films. There are many debates here that are strictly subjective but this one is not one of them. 5. posters who don't pay enough attention to the sheer brilliance and complete logic of my arguements in defense of these classic films. You'd think you guys would realize by now that I'm always right. |
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12-04-2003, 08:42 PM | #31 | ||||||
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READ THE BOOKS!!!!!
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12-04-2003, 09:22 PM | #32 |
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jd, honestly, do you, I, or any other "Purist" give a tinker's cuss about what some puffed up, megalomaniacal, self-important popinjay who never cracked the spine on a Tolkien book thinks, anyway?
So what we get called "Purists"? So what someone gets called a "movie moron"? Just let it slide, bro. Some things just ain't worth the headache. We see clearly someone has piped up who can't build his/her/its own argument without tearing someone else's down first. No logic, no reason is offered, just a snooty, look-down-the-nose "pooh-pooh" to those of us who actually know what we're talking about. Someone who wastes ten thousand words saying "I hate you! Nyah, nyah, nyah!" ain't worth the time of day. Sister GH, glad to see you. BB, instead of getting on your high horse, how about you start trying to build some syllogisms to reinforce your argument? The issue on the table is "Jackson's LotR is as bad as Dino deLaurentis' Dune". If you don't want to discuss the topic, go back to your narcissitic exercises of sophistry in your own mentally autoerotic threads. If you have something to add to the discussion at hand, cough it up. Refute the assertion.
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12-04-2003, 09:25 PM | #33 |
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Oh, and yes, BB, by all means, let me reiterate and amplify jd's spot-on assertion:
READ THE BOOKS BEFORE YOU EMBARASS YOURSELF FURTHER!!! [So if I put a smiley face does that mean all is forgiven and we are busom buddies???]
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"...[The Lord of the Rings] is to exemplify most clearly a recurrent theme: the place in 'world politics' of the unforeseen and unforeseeable acts of will, and deeds of virtue of the apparently small, ungreat, fogotten in the places of the Wise and Great (good as well as evil). A moral of the whole (after the primary symbolism of the Ring, as the will to mere power, seeking to make itself objective by physical force and mechanism, and so also inevitably by lies) is the obvious one that without the high and noble the simple and vulgar is utterly mean; and without the simple and ordinary the noble and heroic is meaningless." Letters of JRR Tolkien, page 160. |
12-04-2003, 09:31 PM | #34 | |
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12-04-2003, 10:21 PM | #35 | ||
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12-05-2003, 12:04 AM | #36 |
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I share in your assessment of Nolendil, Wayfarer.
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"...[The Lord of the Rings] is to exemplify most clearly a recurrent theme: the place in 'world politics' of the unforeseen and unforeseeable acts of will, and deeds of virtue of the apparently small, ungreat, fogotten in the places of the Wise and Great (good as well as evil). A moral of the whole (after the primary symbolism of the Ring, as the will to mere power, seeking to make itself objective by physical force and mechanism, and so also inevitably by lies) is the obvious one that without the high and noble the simple and vulgar is utterly mean; and without the simple and ordinary the noble and heroic is meaningless." Letters of JRR Tolkien, page 160. |
12-05-2003, 12:43 AM | #37 |
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bropous, I have to say... the first film didn't suck nearly as much as the second film. Not to say that the first film didn't suck, cuz oh buddy, did it ever. [EDITED]
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12-05-2003, 01:00 AM | #38 |
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Okay, let's chill people.
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12-05-2003, 02:09 AM | #39 |
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And people wonder why there's so much hate in the world!!!
This is almost like a religious strife. One interpretation of the "Bible" over the other. Let's all kiss and make up and get this behind us. As soon as ROTK is released, the fires should cool, hopefully. Sorry for venting on the book fans earlier. I guess I was just tired of hearing that the movies were junk when I thought they were entertaining even though they strayed from the book (sometimes severely). However, I can understand the reasoning for some of the changes, mainly to capture the non-reader's interests and for time constraints. I think you can separate the two, where you can enjoy each on a different level. A movie can never compete with your imagination. |
12-05-2003, 03:55 AM | #40 |
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I've been changing my mind over the films during the last few months as well. I still think the FOTR is a great film. I'd probably give it 9/10 as a film, not adaptation. I'd give TTT a 7/10 as a film. The spoilers I have read about the ROTK have left me very disapointed. I find it very sad the team who made the movies went to so much trouble to make little bits of armour but somehow messed up a lot of the script. I recognize the movies' faults, but I can also see their good points as well.
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