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Quasi Evil
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Maryland, US
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Yeah I sure hope they dont dig up the Alaska national parks because some people would rather destroy natural resources so that they can happily drive their SUV's and hummers around town and still pay next to nothing at the station. Its truly sad and terribly short sighted thinking. I heard somewhere that if we were to use EVERY single resource we currently have in this country and cut our ties with OPEC and any foreign oil sources that we would run out of oil in less then a year! Now is that worth digging up ancient forests and wild life sanctuaries. I think not.
Ive heard a LOT of bitching about who is making out like bandits since these price increases and therefore whose fault it must be. Everyone blames OPEC and the oil refinery companies and the resellers and the stations but they never seem to look in the damn mirror at all. As long as we insist on being able to consume oil way beyond the rate at which we really need it, then we ultimately (and collectively --- I dont want to hear any DONT BLAME ME crap thanks) are responsible for what we are seeing today. Because in the end we control the market place. Not anyone else. Perhaps the only way to push people grudgingly away from their double standard norm is to make gas so costly that it takes us there kicking and screaming. Someone told me we may see $3 a gallon this year. Think that will do it?
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Join Date: Sep 2001
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I have seen diesel about $1.609-$1.679. I will need to see how things are when I fill up again. (It is nice to be able to go 600-700 miles [960-1120 km] between fillups. ![]()
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Elf Lord
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: In me taters
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I agree with you there, IRex. The real costs of fossil fuels are not included in the price.
Not even here in the UK, where it's now over 80p a litre, which is £4.40 a gallon or (wait for it) $7.80!! About 80% of that is tax. The problem is what's the alternative, particularly if public transport is not good where you live. |
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Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Washington State again (I miss Texas).
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![]() Anyway... Companies like BP are putting millions into alternative energy research as well--mainly because they know that as more people make the switch away from traditional cars, they'll need to have their finger in that pie if they're going to keep making money. As far as gas prices...Yeah...I'm pretty sure it'll make it over three dollars per gallon here. btw, last week, I had to put in a few litres up in Canada in order to make it back across the border, at it was .97/litre -- about $3.10 USD/gallon, if I've done the conversions right.
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Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: San Francisco, CA <3
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Join Date: Feb 2003
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![]() Cities are so spaced out that buses take over 2 hours (or more) to get from one place to another with all the stops. I really think that with the way development and homes are being built so that they spread out past the city's borders that we should focus on changing the fuel/resources we currently use... convincing people to sit on a bus for 2 or 3 hours to get to work and then another 2 or 3 hours to get home each work day isn't going to be as successful in making a permanent change. |
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Join Date: Feb 2003
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![]() Trust me when I say... I looked at all the possible high clearance vehicles that would hold a kayak without compromising safety... there weren't that many choices. At least I had a 6 cylinder option... and I've never had trouble climbing any rocky path with my 6 cylinder. So, all those soccer moms and dads with 4-wheel drives need to rethink their choices... why do you have your SUV? What do you use it for? If you have a good reason for it, ok... but if it's just to pick up a few kids and throw soccer equipment in the back... hell, a station wagon could do the same. |
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Join Date: Jan 2003
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you think the soccer moms are bad. how bout the jackasses who insist on driving monster SUVs to the grocery store, to work, to starbucks, to bars, in highway traffic, just so they can feel better about being 8 feet above everyone else and show off their $1500 rims. you think they give one crap about natural resources at all? No. But I guess its the same attitude that allows them to take up 2 spaces every time they park without feeling bad about it. Navigator syndrome...
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Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: In me taters
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There was some statistic bandied around a few years ago that 95% of off-road vehicles never go off-road.
Maybe there should be a "tadger tax" for wasteful items that are acquired solely for the purpose of making inadequately endowed males feel bigger. |
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Elf Lord
Join Date: Sep 2003
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Nah, they'd make big people feel smaller. Unless they make 'em all the same size anyway and just put a different label on the package.
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mystical divinity of Unashamed Felinity
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: New York's beautiful North Coast -- we're all mad here!!!
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I drive a Chrysler PT Cruiser -- a 4 cylinder (without the turbo-charger option). The mileage is good, approx. 22 - 24 mpg city driving (not as good as my Toyota Corrolla, but that car had so much wrong with it that it negated any savings on gas -- what a piece of garbage!!!). The PT also has better visibility than the Corrolla and is way more fun to drive!! I managed to find gas at 1.88/gal this past Sunday, but I have a feeling that was the last time I'll be paying under $2.00 for gas for a long time... ![]()
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Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Ilha Formosa
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Read the back posts and weep!
Current price in Taiwan- NT$38/ liter US $4.80 (US gal)= 63p/liter(sterling) = euro0.79 liter (Sorry, BoP, too lazy to do NZ$ ![]()
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Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA
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Yeah, I know; it's ridiculous! Look at this:
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Join Date: Aug 2007
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It's still around 3.78 here, thank goodness. I'm lookin at buying a bike, though. Long drive, but if I cant afford it in the future...
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Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster
Join Date: Dec 2002
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Yeah, next time I buy a car, my main point of interest will be gas mileage.
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Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: In me taters
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Current UK price £1.20 per litre. That's $2.40 a litre, or > $8 per US gallon. Now THAT'S what you call a petrol price. |
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Elf Lord
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Fountain Valley, CA
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Something tells me a number of us are soon going to be getting poorer and healthier.
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Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster
Join Date: Dec 2002
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If only. Unfortunately, I live about six miles away from the nearest town, and about twenty miles away from the nearest town with more things to go to than a grocery store, a crap theater, a couple crap bars, and tons of Mexican restaurants. Unfortunately, I don't like Mexican.
![]() ![]() Anyway, twenty miles away from the nearest decent town, so walking isn't really an option for me... ![]()
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