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![]() Eonwe was the champion of the war of wrath so i suppose he was pretty powerful and Sauron with respect to him was also mighty but i think in my opinion and from the mighty warriors that this maiar slayed i think the mightiest and strongest maiar had to be Gothmog high commander of Angband. im sure people will disagree but thats what i think.
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I mean - other maiar can choose if they want a body or not, while the balrogs can't leave their bodies. I want to remind you that Gothmog was killed by an elf, and with all the rewspect for elves, you won't see a maia that was killed by one. (when I say maia I mean the ones in Aman, or Sauron before he bacame evil, etc.) |
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i don't know if it is really clear on who of the ainur can and can't die... if i remember rightly, in lost tales it was said that the maiar could but the valar could not... but i don't think this distinction was carried on to the silmarillion
we know that all ainur could take different forms or leave their body... the only exceptions i can remember is melkor losing the ability because of his nature and divestment of power... sauron, after his body was destroyed in numenor... the istari when they were sent to middle earth so one would assume that balrogs could take another form if they choose to (with or without wings ![]()
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Balrogs are too - put them in the list - thank you. ![]() I don't think it's possible for tem - I mean, if he could, he would probably shape himself as a bird and fly or something when he was going to die. Balrgos are a mystery, though. What do you think, brownjenkins? |
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maybe the balrogs, like melkor, got so caught up in the evil domination thing, that they too lost the ability to take on any other form... something which, for some reason (his cunning?) sauron was able to hold onto until he actually lost his body
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Olórin, thank you. I wish he was still around.
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Ah! But who do you think inspired JRR Tolkien to write the history of Middle Earth, Ah?
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It's a nice thought. I suppose someone had to lead him to those ancient, long-lost texts.
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I don't know if balrogs could change forms. But even if they could I don't think they had reasons to change their form. I mean that balrogs are beings of pure evil, usually serving a master without any reason to conceal their nature or their intentions. Melkor and Sauron changed forms in order to deceit others and gain popularity. Balrogs never had to do anything like that.
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Maybe Balrogs didn't change forms, because they were given the option of spawning wings
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I'd say eonwe. sauron was powerful but he aint my favourite. i donno much about maiars.
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I'm not sure if this is covered in another thread (I'm sure that it is but I'm really lazy to go looking for it right now) so here's my question regarding Maiar....when Sauron was destroyed, does Tolkien say anywhere what happens to his spirit? I mean can someone really destroy a spirit if they aren't the One who made it (Eru)? Same goes for Saruman....what happens to them when their bodily forms are destroyed?
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Osse for me. Had a wicked side to him (like me!)
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