01-02-2005, 02:47 PM | #21 |
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Well...forgeting all the "god stuff"... They are written in very different times...and the authors (IMO) style would be greatly affected my the changing world. JKR's world is so different from the professor's.....I agree with Minielin.
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01-02-2005, 04:43 PM | #22 |
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Well, setting aside the deeper themes of good vs. evil and Christian references, which don't ever happen in any other books, I'm sure.
But you're right, parallels can be drawn. However, the styles etc. remain too different to possibly be able say which is "better" than the other.
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In this article, I would argue that Voldemort is Dumbledore's "doppleganger", but maybe that's another thread. Quote:
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O, Lizra, you are ALWAYS wanting to drop the "god" stuff! Comes of being an atheist, I suppose , but I remind you that an atheist cannot be to careful of his reading per CS Lewis, .. or her reading in your case !
Nurv, Having the inestimable advantage of having read the recommended books at least twice each, and referenced them lots of times as I have re-read HP this year, Granger's construction of JKR's use is that Voldemort is Harry's doppelganger! Read S...L...O...W...E...R and digest! (Sheesh, next you'll be arguing about Christian influence in Narnia! )
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I disagree, I still think Voldemort is Dumbledore's doppleganger. Though I think more along the lines of character foil. Hm... *ponders new thread*
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God, schmod.....
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God, scmod
Clod! Created Redeemed Sustains Artiste! As Lizra, So He, Clod,schmod. God.
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Clod? Your brain is sod!
Prop Crutch Pie in the sky? So the artist creates of her own. Inked winked, kinked.....
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Lizra,
Offense at clod? I am besod myselfy thus you would take! It's you recall that makes Man of earth alone. Whereas, I would say of dust made, to dust return! And leave the rest to God. Love, Your fellow clod,
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Remind me Lizra, which primary color was it you made ? The artiste/artist subcreates as Tolkien told. So does JK Rowling as I have made bold. The same for you I will vow. It's just a difference in Who, not how!
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Oh! go plod with that old clod!
While I play with your clay.... Your verse does not make A clear road to take, And I wondered which way, your words I should play.... I took my color from the sun, And made "beauty" to please anyone I can do on my own No authors neccessary.....
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Augh stop the poetry, make it stop!!!
I think we've all soundly decided that HP is not better than LOTR (and I don't think LOTR is better than HP either) because they are incomparable. Unless there are more comments... hopefully in prose.
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I only mean the best for you, of course! So, in reading, English, Greek, or Norse Ascription to deity, ultimate resource, Puts cart properly behind the horse. Artist to artist the story unfold - Visual pastels or colors bold Illustrate the stories told. Authorian, Creatorian - unless sold The lading bill that the gleam Is due the polishers, who seem It their duty to deem They made the beauties' beam! Learn rather to correctly assign Lineaments sketched or bursting rind Origin in Creative Mind Concordances, differences: degree, not kind! Hey, have you ever read THE MIND OF THE MAKER by Dorothy L. Sayers. I think you mind find it, well, illuminating, to use a visual image! A study of the creative artist as a clue to the meaning of the Universe! * *warning, warning, warning, Will Robinson! explicit Christian content!
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Analyze, organize...line it all up.
Chicken....egg....yeesh!...don't be a schmuck! While you study and read, and think you know all, I'll create new, and answer the call...of the artist. Thanks for the "tip" Inky ....but you should know by now that I don't like to "waste" my time reading other people's ideas....I like to ruminate and luxuriate in my own! (Time's running out! )
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ingrates!
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Danger Will Robinson! Danger!
Aaaaand that will be my last post in the thread, unless someone has something new (and on topic) to add!
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good to see someone with sence here Nurvi
but your poems are fine, Lizra and Inked. maybe move them to writers workshop?
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I think JKR neatly isolates Hogwarts from these issues of technology by not letting technology work due to magical interference - accomplishing the same thing as Tolkien - by making the setting force us into looking at values and choices without the business and distraction of one's pager and cell phone and home phone all going off while the TV blares out further idiocy in large letters with the mute on! (Read that one ten times real fast ). So in this way, JKR succeeds as well as Tolkien, and to a certain degree, better, as he did not have to deal with so many devices. (But someone will argue that the palantiri were picture-phones of a rude and inept age...beware, there lies Mordor..... ).
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