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08-06-2006, 07:01 AM | #21 | |
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hoooboy! this is controversial stuff! sits down with some popcorn awaiting the wayfarer ...course now i said that he'll no appear ... i, too am glad ... i, too am glad that PJ's Arargorn did not go, say .... the Incredible hulk route ... as i say, controversial and high brow ... (best BB x ) Last edited by Butterbeer : 08-06-2006 at 07:02 AM. |
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08-06-2006, 07:42 AM | #22 |
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I love that name wayfarer, BTW, sounds like someone out of WWE (World Wrestling Exhibition).
Seriously, have y'all ever read Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas by Hunter Thompson. There's this awesome chapter in the book where, after writing in gonzo journalistic style until then, Thompson prints (in italics even, if I remember correctly), the actual transcript of what really occurred. And it's frankly relatively banal. Then he returns to his gonzo style and it's back to hyperbole and action. To me, the more introspective/self-doubting and humorous scenes in the movies are akin, stylistically, to a deliberate withdrawal, from the heroic/epic style to realism and then back again, similiar to what Thompson did in F&LILV. Do you have to like it? Of course not. But it ain't no crime. |
08-09-2006, 06:51 AM | #23 |
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There are a lot of times in PJ's films when the only difference, really, is the style in which a story is told. This I don't mind so much. Take the film Hunt For Red October for instance. It was a much better movie, IMHO, than the book was a book, mostly due to the different style in which it was told on film as opposed to the text. In that case I actually prefer the movie. Style is one thing. But to go and change someone else's story/characters/etc.... How can you say you are being faithful to a story if you mess with it? And changing one small thing can demand that you make huge changes further on that detract from the story completely.
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08-09-2006, 01:03 PM | #24 |
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I agree on Hunt for Red October. I prefered the book to the movie as well.
But I think that in terms of LOTR, some change had to be done. It was just too much to fit even into three movies. I don't think PJ made all the right choices, but he had to make some.
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08-10-2006, 06:48 AM | #25 | ||
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Such as Aragorn's over-done guilt/insecurity thing. Or Arwen dying because Sauron is getting stronger? Or Frodo yelling at Sam and telling him to go home. Or Faramir dragging aforementioned hobbits ALL THE WAY TO OSGILIATH only to tell them, "I've changed me mind; you can go now." Why was it so difficult for them to explain that the ring simply has no allure for some? I read once (in an autobiography by Leonard Nimoy, actually) that no element, especially in film, should be kept unless it adds to the story somehow. Squeezing the lemon is one thing; but to add things--'twists', whatever--that only detract from a storyline, delay it from going forward, these are needless and tedious. And it's only worse when you hack another person's story to insert them.
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It's New Years Day, just like the day before; Same old skies of grey, same empty bottles on the floor. Another year's gone by, and I was thinking once again, How can I take this losing hand and somehow win? Just give me One Good Year To get my feet back on the ground. I've been chasing grace; Grace ain't so easily found One bad hand can devil a man, chase him and carry him down. I've got to get out of here, just give me One Good Year! |
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Even in the book (blasphemy warning! ), I've always thought that Glorfindel would have been a better member of the Fellowship than Legolas. Quote:
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08-10-2006, 12:13 PM | #27 |
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but if they did do it upto Frodo's capture, then it probally would've been too much for people to take in in one sitting. probally.
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08-10-2006, 04:33 PM | #28 | |
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08-10-2006, 04:52 PM | #29 | |
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08-10-2006, 08:59 PM | #30 | |
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08-10-2006, 09:04 PM | #31 | |
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I make it though. I could say unfortunately. Everytime I get started on a book (or even a movie), my brain absorbs the original idea, twists it around, and creates a complete story that in the end has little to do with the original one. At this point I'm having huge trouble being able to stay focused on the book I was supposed to read. (I never bother writing the stuff down either) |
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08-12-2006, 12:42 PM | #32 | |||
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I think that the romance aspect would have been very well served if they had made it clear in some of those 'dreamy cutaways' with Arwen and Elrond that one of the reasons Aragorn was trying to be King was Elrond said that no mortal would marry his daughter unless he was King of Gondor and had recovered the lost realm of Arnor... I think that's how it went. Aragorn was too much of a wimp in the movie to seriously consider marrying an Elven princess, the daughter of Elrond Half-elven. Quote:
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But I agree, I always like the cliff-hanger of Frodo being dead, then not-dead, then taken, and Sam knocking himself out in the dark (lol). It really worked for the ending of a book, and I was so disappointed when they didn't do that in the movie. Okay, my posts are quickly becoming book vs. movie arguments. Apologies. I'll try to get back on topic.
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Other fan-fiction is set in the same world, but concerns totally different characters. In my opinion, this is the best kind because it doesn't have to affect the author's original stuff, but it can play by the same rules (i.e., same world, same culture). And one doesn't risk changing original story-lines or characters to other people's annoyance. Quote:
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It's New Years Day, just like the day before; Same old skies of grey, same empty bottles on the floor. Another year's gone by, and I was thinking once again, How can I take this losing hand and somehow win? Just give me One Good Year To get my feet back on the ground. I've been chasing grace; Grace ain't so easily found One bad hand can devil a man, chase him and carry him down. I've got to get out of here, just give me One Good Year! |
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08-15-2006, 07:11 AM | #34 |
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I agree on the no-Conan Aragorn thing. PJ was right to represent those aspects of Aragorn, which are barely alluded to in the text. You really need to re-read LOTR to realise Rosie's point that his seizure of the Palantir is the turning point of his internal dilemma. Shortly thereafter he gets the message from Elrond and his way forward becomes clear for the first time. To represent that in a movie you would have to make plenty of changes.
So, the idea was good, it's just that, as with the Osgiliath scene, the execution was clumsy and pointless. Which leads back to topic: make any changes you like as long at they are not clumsy and pointless. Last edited by The Gaffer : 08-15-2006 at 07:19 AM. |
08-15-2006, 10:54 AM | #35 | |
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08-15-2006, 01:18 PM | #36 |
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Well, here's a question then: was PJ's idea to have Arwen in place of Glorfindel a "clumsy" or smart change? On one hand I can understand; introducing Glorfindel would make it seem to the audience that here was a main character, when in fact he goes no further than Rivendell. On the other hand, having Arwen go was kinda cheesy with the Aragorn/Arwen remark trading, esp. when they have precious little time.
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08-15-2006, 01:26 PM | #37 | |
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08-15-2006, 01:37 PM | #38 | |
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08-15-2006, 01:57 PM | #39 | |
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But the change in the Arwen character didn't bother me too much either (at least in that scene alone). She is practically a non-character in the books, and you needed to give her at least a bit of screen time and purpose to develop her relationship with Aragorn.
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