Any intrest in an adventure RPG? (LLL discussion part I) - Page 19

Ingwe · 04-30-2008, 11:00 PM

An inquiry, the Avari in the First Age, were they as far east as Dorwinion, or were any of them still remaining further in the east even than that? When the displaced of former Beleriand came to the old east that was now the new west (Eriador) and some came to Greenwood the Great, did the Avari move even further east to make room? I hear different tales of this, that a lot of the Avari were in Dorwinion, and that some stayed in the Wild Wood, around the area that Cuivienen once was. It sounds like everyone was really scattered all over the continent, inter-mingling happening a lot more than is chronicled (between Elves and Men, Men and Dwarves, and even more strangely, Elves and Dwarves, wow that would be quite interesting to say the least). Some of the Avari were in the far east (and I mean far East, Middle Earth was more huge than it appeared at first glance, the northwest where most of the war went on was just a fraction) and then some of the Avari were in Dorwinion, and some of the Nandor ended up there as well and the Nandor and some of the Avari mingled (quite a reunion).

To me though, the term Avari is offensive, and are usually known by one of their several tribe names, those names being Cuind, Kindi, Hwenti, Kinn-lai, Penni, Windan, and so on. Where those different tribes are scattered, who knows. Unwilling to leave, not unwilling to stay. Despite the evil and mortality in Middle Earth, the land is a gift, so why leave that gift behind if you don't really have to? If I had a choice of where to go, I'd stay somewhere in the East. The others didn't like their decision, but it wasn't their decision to make. If Orome didn't like it he would have struck them down. But Valinor does have much more spectacular things to see. The "Avari" wanted a challenge and stayed. Who knows what kind of cities they built or how crafty they were, despite what others say of them. Eol was of the Avari but he was just one bad example.

I think it's definite that some of them lived in Dorwinion, but it is definite that some of the Nandor lived there too. Thranduil had wine carried from Dorwinion to Mirkwood frequently (underground alcohol distribution LoL, Thranduil doesn't like prohibition).

About a random humor scene, Thranduil could be drunk during one of those scenes, after we get back from the journey (if we do). Thranduil seems like the kind of person who would get blotto a lot.

Aikanáro · 05-01-2008, 12:56 AM

From Tabrîl's point of view, 'Avari' is a Calaquendi insult referring only to those who never actually began the journey, not those who started and didn't finish. So she doesn't like it.

That's not to say that others don't use the term with slightly different meaning, though!

*is also having great fun with this*

feawen · 05-01-2008, 07:22 AM

hi all. busy busy day ahead of me so ill bring nami back in tonight, then ill talk to Aelfwine about being scaried of the dark! Im wondering why Abasi hasn't taken this opportunatity get have a go at Nami! What with their past arguement!

Willow Oran · 05-01-2008, 12:21 PM

Curufin, you're mixing up the player with the character. Haldis, not Willow.

Curufin · 05-01-2008, 12:28 PM

Argh,and I knew that too. *dies* I was thinking Haldis.

Argh.

It's this paper I have to write today...it's warping my mind...

*goes to fix*

Willow Oran · 05-01-2008, 12:39 PM

Papers do that. It's an easy mistake, and I often have played Willow as a character.

Haldis is going to keep needling him though, both intentionally and inadverdantly. Fortunately she's used to tempremental males, her closest neighbors include Radagast, Grimbeorn and Thranduil after all... Anyway, she knows he can't hurt her without besmirching his honor.

***Earniel*** · 05-02-2008, 07:42 AM

Hm, if all Avari are that easily offended, no wonder they were left behind at Cuivienen!

Ingwe · 05-02-2008, 08:15 AM

A good point. Perhaps they were left behind because they didn't believe the Valar when they said "the crop circles are just swamp gas reflected off of Venus yadda yadda". Hence, not unwilling to go to Valinor, unwilling to believe everything 'the government' said.

I'll post a little something in 3L (Long Lost Leaves) soon, just gotta figure out what.

feawen · 05-02-2008, 10:25 AM

oh no nami didn't want Aelfwine to go away she likes you! come back! lol

i could always have nami teach you and ellysa elven! not that i know any elven in real life but still!

feawen · 05-02-2008, 05:08 PM

double post i know but still!

first off i retract the challage made earlier that nami and Abasi will be friends. You've made it too hard! lol

second just so i know whats going on. or the two elven groups having a bit of crossed wires? Nami does not hate or look down on Abasi or Tabrîl. She thinks they look down on her, which i think so true! Am i on the right lines or have i make Nami sound nasty, cause she's not really!

Aikanáro · 05-02-2008, 05:33 PM

Tabrîl, having not spoken to Nami yet (I don't think, anyway!) has no particular opinion, except that Nami isn't one of her people and so is probably going to be very odd and difficult to understand.

And of course Tabrîl thinks her customs are better than everyone else's. Why wouldn't she?

I don't think Nami has been too nasty, don't worry. A little tension is fun!

feawen · 05-02-2008, 05:39 PM

lol no we have not been introduced but Nami and Abasi have a slight history of her wanting to kill him! When
Tabrîl first turned up Nami was trying not convines everyone one to go underground. Oh but she did call you a random elf!
Im liking the tension too! so like real life when wires are crossed you can get in all kinds of trouble!

Nami will be saying hi sooner or later, hopefully not when Nami is anywhere near a big dark hole cause she'll cry at you!

Willow Oran · 05-03-2008, 05:13 AM

The post I just wrote for Haldis is supposed to take place over the course of the entire evening and late into the night. So don't worry if the time overlap reads a little weirdly, just assume that during your posts, she's off on the edge of the camp being mysterious and ignored.

Aikanáro · 05-03-2008, 05:16 AM

Quote:

Tabrîl was going to be very upset when she woke up.

...understatement of the century?

Willow Oran · 05-03-2008, 05:18 AM

Possibly of the millenia.

Acalewia · 05-03-2008, 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by feawen

oh no nami didn't want Aelfwine to go away she likes you! come back! lol

i could always have nami teach you and ellysa elven! not that i know any elven in real life but still!

I'm all for that. Aelfwine really doesn't understand the elven ways

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aikanáro

...understatement of the century?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Willow Oran

Possibly of the millenia.

This should be fun

Aikanáro · 05-03-2008, 11:54 AM

Couldn't resist skipping forward to the morning for that last post - anyone who has more to post for the previous night, please do go ahead!

**Mari** · 05-03-2008, 02:09 PM

Oops, cross-post.

I edited it.

Aikanáro · 05-03-2008, 03:59 PM

Likewise - sorry, Willow, didn't mean to ignore Haldis!

Willow Oran · 05-03-2008, 04:02 PM

It's all good. I'm curious to see what the Game is. So is Haldis, but she's waiting to be properly chastised by Radagast.

04-30-2008, 11:00 PM	#361
Ingwe Elven Warrior Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Somewhere not of this world Posts: 402	An inquiry, the Avari in the First Age, were they as far east as Dorwinion, or were any of them still remaining further in the east even than that? When the displaced of former Beleriand came to the old east that was now the new west (Eriador) and some came to Greenwood the Great, did the Avari move even further east to make room? I hear different tales of this, that a lot of the Avari were in Dorwinion, and that some stayed in the Wild Wood, around the area that Cuivienen once was. It sounds like everyone was really scattered all over the continent, inter-mingling happening a lot more than is chronicled (between Elves and Men, Men and Dwarves, and even more strangely, Elves and Dwarves, wow that would be quite interesting to say the least). Some of the Avari were in the far east (and I mean far East, Middle Earth was more huge than it appeared at first glance, the northwest where most of the war went on was just a fraction) and then some of the Avari were in Dorwinion, and some of the Nandor ended up there as well and the Nandor and some of the Avari mingled (quite a reunion). To me though, the term Avari is offensive, and are usually known by one of their several tribe names, those names being Cuind, Kindi, Hwenti, Kinn-lai, Penni, Windan, and so on. Where those different tribes are scattered, who knows. Unwilling to leave, not unwilling to stay. Despite the evil and mortality in Middle Earth, the land is a gift, so why leave that gift behind if you don't really have to? If I had a choice of where to go, I'd stay somewhere in the East. The others didn't like their decision, but it wasn't their decision to make. If Orome didn't like it he would have struck them down. But Valinor does have much more spectacular things to see. The "Avari" wanted a challenge and stayed. Who knows what kind of cities they built or how crafty they were, despite what others say of them. Eol was of the Avari but he was just one bad example. I think it's definite that some of them lived in Dorwinion, but it is definite that some of the Nandor lived there too. Thranduil had wine carried from Dorwinion to Mirkwood frequently (underground alcohol distribution LoL, Thranduil doesn't like prohibition). About a random humor scene, Thranduil could be drunk during one of those scenes, after we get back from the journey (if we do). Thranduil seems like the kind of person who would get blotto a lot. __________________ I'm back. Everyone fear for their lives. Arrggghhh! Get to the choppa, it's Godzilla, fighting Indiana Jones, Copyright, uh-oh!

05-01-2008, 12:56 AM	#362
Aikanáro Chaotic Good Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Mar Vanwa Tyaliéva Posts: 827	From Tabrîl's point of view, 'Avari' is a Calaquendi insult referring only to those who never actually began the journey, not those who started and didn't finish. So she doesn't like it. That's not to say that others don't use the term with slightly different meaning, though! is also having great fun with this __________________ Vanima i metta nauva, nan anda ar sarda nauva i mallë.

05-01-2008, 07:22 AM	#363
feawen The Lady of Laughter Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Casy street in the afternoon Posts: 919	hi all. busy busy day ahead of me so ill bring nami back in tonight, then ill talk to Aelfwine about being scaried of the dark! Im wondering why Abasi hasn't taken this opportunatity get have a go at Nami! What with their past arguement! __________________ can you imagine what it would be like if we have walked all the way? ya, one of us could have died! Cause its extremely far!

05-01-2008, 12:21 PM	#364
Willow Oran Deus Ex Machina Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 1,951	Curufin, you're mixing up the player with the character. Haldis, not Willow. __________________ "5. Plain Rings with RUNES on the inside. Avoid these like the PLAGUE. -Diana Wynne Jones Tough Guide To FantasyLand ...it's not much of a show if somebody doesn't suffer, and preferably at length. Suffering is beautiful in any case, and so is anguish; but as for loathing, and bitterness... I don't think they belong on the stage at all. - Isabella, I Gelosi

05-01-2008, 12:28 PM	#365
Curufin The Ñoldóran Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Mishawaka, IN Posts: 2,050	Argh,and I knew that too. dies I was thinking Haldis. Argh. It's this paper I have to write today...it's warping my mind... goes to fix __________________ Then Celegorm no more would stay, And Curufin smiled and turned away... ~The Lay of Leithian

05-01-2008, 12:39 PM	#366
Willow Oran Deus Ex Machina Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 1,951	Papers do that. It's an easy mistake, and I often have played Willow as a character. Haldis is going to keep needling him though, both intentionally and inadverdantly. Fortunately she's used to tempremental males, her closest neighbors include Radagast, Grimbeorn and Thranduil after all... Anyway, she knows he can't hurt her without besmirching his honor. __________________ "5. Plain Rings with RUNES on the inside. Avoid these like the PLAGUE. -Diana Wynne Jones Tough Guide To FantasyLand ...it's not much of a show if somebody doesn't suffer, and preferably at length. Suffering is beautiful in any case, and so is anguish; but as for loathing, and bitterness... I don't think they belong on the stage at all. - Isabella, I Gelosi

05-02-2008, 07:42 AM	#367
*Earniel* The Chocoholic Sea Elf Administrator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: N?n in Eilph (Belgium) Posts: 14,363	Hm, if all Avari are that easily offended, no wonder they were left behind at Cuivienen! __________________ We are not things.

05-02-2008, 08:15 AM	#368
Ingwe Elven Warrior Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Somewhere not of this world Posts: 402	A good point. Perhaps they were left behind because they didn't believe the Valar when they said "the crop circles are just swamp gas reflected off of Venus yadda yadda". Hence, not unwilling to go to Valinor, unwilling to believe everything 'the government' said. I'll post a little something in 3L (Long Lost Leaves) soon, just gotta figure out what. __________________ I'm back. Everyone fear for their lives. Arrggghhh! Get to the choppa, it's Godzilla, fighting Indiana Jones, Copyright, uh-oh!

05-02-2008, 10:25 AM	#369
feawen The Lady of Laughter Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Casy street in the afternoon Posts: 919	oh no nami didn't want Aelfwine to go away she likes you! come back! lol i could always have nami teach you and ellysa elven! not that i know any elven in real life but still! __________________ can you imagine what it would be like if we have walked all the way? ya, one of us could have died! Cause its extremely far!

05-02-2008, 05:08 PM	#370
feawen The Lady of Laughter Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Casy street in the afternoon Posts: 919	double post i know but still! first off i retract the challage made earlier that nami and Abasi will be friends. You've made it too hard! lol second just so i know whats going on. or the two elven groups having a bit of crossed wires? Nami does not hate or look down on Abasi or Tabrîl. She thinks they look down on her, which i think so true! Am i on the right lines or have i make Nami sound nasty, cause she's not really! __________________ can you imagine what it would be like if we have walked all the way? ya, one of us could have died! Cause its extremely far!

05-02-2008, 05:33 PM	#371
Aikanáro Chaotic Good Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Mar Vanwa Tyaliéva Posts: 827	Tabrîl, having not spoken to Nami yet (I don't think, anyway!) has no particular opinion, except that Nami isn't one of her people and so is probably going to be very odd and difficult to understand. And of course Tabrîl thinks her customs are better than everyone else's. Why wouldn't she? I don't think Nami has been too nasty, don't worry. A little tension is fun! __________________ Vanima i metta nauva, nan anda ar sarda nauva i mallë.

05-02-2008, 05:39 PM	#372
feawen The Lady of Laughter Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Casy street in the afternoon Posts: 919	lol no we have not been introduced but Nami and Abasi have a slight history of her wanting to kill him! When Tabrîl first turned up Nami was trying not convines everyone one to go underground. Oh but she did call you a random elf! Im liking the tension too! so like real life when wires are crossed you can get in all kinds of trouble! Nami will be saying hi sooner or later, hopefully not when Nami is anywhere near a big dark hole cause she'll cry at you! __________________ can you imagine what it would be like if we have walked all the way? ya, one of us could have died! Cause its extremely far! Last edited by feawen : 05-02-2008 at 05:41 PM.

05-03-2008, 05:13 AM	#373
Willow Oran Deus Ex Machina Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 1,951	The post I just wrote for Haldis is supposed to take place over the course of the entire evening and late into the night. So don't worry if the time overlap reads a little weirdly, just assume that during your posts, she's off on the edge of the camp being mysterious and ignored. __________________ "5. Plain Rings with RUNES on the inside. Avoid these like the PLAGUE. -Diana Wynne Jones Tough Guide To FantasyLand ...it's not much of a show if somebody doesn't suffer, and preferably at length. Suffering is beautiful in any case, and so is anguish; but as for loathing, and bitterness... I don't think they belong on the stage at all. - Isabella, I Gelosi

05-03-2008, 05:18 AM	#375
Willow Oran Deus Ex Machina Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 1,951	Possibly of the millenia. __________________ "5. Plain Rings with RUNES on the inside. Avoid these like the PLAGUE. -Diana Wynne Jones Tough Guide To FantasyLand ...it's not much of a show if somebody doesn't suffer, and preferably at length. Suffering is beautiful in any case, and so is anguish; but as for loathing, and bitterness... I don't think they belong on the stage at all. - Isabella, I Gelosi

05-03-2008, 11:54 AM	#377
Aikanáro Chaotic Good Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Mar Vanwa Tyaliéva Posts: 827	Couldn't resist skipping forward to the morning for that last post - anyone who has more to post for the previous night, please do go ahead! __________________ Vanima i metta nauva, nan anda ar sarda nauva i mallë.

05-03-2008, 02:09 PM	#378
Mari Elf Lady Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In the lands where mountains are but a fairytale Posts: 8,588	Oops, cross-post. I edited it. __________________ Love always, deeply and true ★ Friends are those rare people who ask how we are and then wait to hear the answer. ★ Friendship is sharing openly, laughing often, trusting always, caring deeply. ...The Earth laughs in flowers ~ Ralph Waldo Emerson, "Hamatreya"...

05-03-2008, 03:59 PM	#379
Aikanáro Chaotic Good Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Mar Vanwa Tyaliéva Posts: 827	Likewise - sorry, Willow, didn't mean to ignore Haldis! __________________ Vanima i metta nauva, nan anda ar sarda nauva i mallë.

05-03-2008, 04:02 PM	#380
Willow Oran Deus Ex Machina Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 1,951	It's all good. I'm curious to see what the Game is. So is Haldis, but she's waiting to be properly chastised by Radagast. __________________ "5. Plain Rings with RUNES on the inside. Avoid these like the PLAGUE. -Diana Wynne Jones Tough Guide To FantasyLand ...it's not much of a show if somebody doesn't suffer, and preferably at length. Suffering is beautiful in any case, and so is anguish; but as for loathing, and bitterness... I don't think they belong on the stage at all. - Isabella, I Gelosi

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