Eowyn or Arwen?

[cassiopeia]

Originally posted by Jonathan
No, she didn't. Not in the books.
If you go by the books (after all, this thread's in the Book forum), then there's no question about it. Éowyn is better than Arwen. Éowyn did some quite impressive things in the books, Arwen hardly did anything.

Yeah, I was joking (see the big smilie? ) Just another thing in the movie I dislike. But no more movie here, this is the blessed book forum.

[Lalaith]

Originally posted by cassiopeia
Yeah, I was joking (see the big smilie? ) Just another thing in the movie I dislike. But no more movie here, this is the blessed book forum.

And in the book Eowyn is of course the more impressive, stronger, better character. No question.

[Jonathan]

Originally posted by cassiopeia
Yeah, I was joking (see the big smilie? ) Just another thing in the movie I dislike. But no more movie here, this is the blessed book forum.

Oops, missed that smile . Sorry. Anyway, there's still hope that Éowyn will become more impressive in the RotK film than Arwen was in the previous films. But I wouldn't trust PJ letting any other female character be better than his belowed Arwen.
Ok, I should have followed cassiopeia's advice and not talk about the movies in this blessed forum

[cassiopeia]

Originally posted by Jonathan
Oops, missed that smile . Sorry. Anyway, there's still hope that Éowyn will become more impressive in the RotK film than Arwen was in the previous films. But I wouldn't trust PJ letting any other female character be better than his belowed Arwen.
Ok, I should have followed cassiopeia's advice and not talk about the movies in this blessed forum

That's all right, I forgive you. *Gazes at calender on wall*
To be OT, I like Eowyn more than Arwen. I wonder if Arwen did anything interesting before the War of the Ring (apart from meeting Aragorn and journying to Lothlorien). Maybe she could kick orc butt if she needed to.

[Snowdog]

I was looking through the book and saw ALOT about Eowyn, and I think I saw Arwen mentioned twice, the last time being after the war was over and she was going to get married to Aragorn. There is the lovely story of their betrothal in the Appendix though.

Eowyn, she along with Merry, slew the Witch King.. thats pretty kick-butt1

(Books people books! Forget the movies for a moment.

[Linaewen]

Originally posted by Snowdog
I was looking through the book and saw ALOT about Eowyn, and I think I saw Arwen mentioned twice, the last time being after the war was over and she was going to get married to Aragorn. There is the lovely story of their betrothal in the Appendix though.

Yes, I think she is mentioned not at all in FotR or TT by name; she is just alluded to. So when I found out she was a protagonist in the movie...well...

Sorry, back to books.

Definitely Eowyn. Arwen does not seem to do a great deal that is impressive.

[Tahquamenon]

Eowyn of course!!! Arwen only gets a sentence of mention in the whole series

Begone foul dwimmerlaik lord of carion leave the dead in peace ..... Eowyn rocks woo

[LutraMage]

Originally posted by Tahquamenon
Eowyn of course!!! Arwen only gets a sentence of mention in the whole series

Begone foul dwimmerlaik lord of carion leave the dead in peace ..... Eowyn rocks woo

Cool quote Tahquamenon Éowyn definitely out performs Arwen.

[Ruinel]

Eowyn is a better character than Arwen.

Let's make a comparison...
Eowyn...
1) is a shieldmaiden for the Rohirim.
2) is honorable and noble
3) is strong enough to lead her people
4) can ride into battle on a noble steed of the Rohirim
5) can weild a sword in battle and fight with her people
6) killed the powerful Nazgul witch king (with a little help)

Arwen..
1) is a bit of fluf in Imladris
2) is noble and might be honorable, but who knows
3) sits back and looks pretty at daddy's dinner table.
4) can probably ride a gentle mare
5) has never been in battle, has never witnessed a battle
6) as far as we know, has never killed anything.

So... we see our comparison... and the winner is... [drum roll]....
.... EOWYN!!!

[Ararax]

AH yes but as a character frodo baggins out lasts them all, but he wasnt a warrior, and he didnt kill anyone great, yet he was a much more well developed character, although not overtly powerful, i think that it was tolkin's desire to show the strength that lies hidden and is not of a type seen. so though i agree with ruineil, i think my reasons for selecting eowyn is more that she overcame what she shouldnt have, and to destroy somethign greater seemingly takes a great person jsut to stand u to the challenge aka beren.

[Linaewen]

Originally posted by Ararax
AH yes but as a character frodo baggins out lasts them all, but he wasnt a warrior, and he didnt kill anyone great, yet he was a much more well developed character, although not overtly powerful, i think that it was tolkin's desire to show the strength that lies hidden and is not of a type seen.

That's all very well and true, but have we seen any evidence that Arwen may have that 'hidden strength'? (There may be, but I can't remember). Other than being worthy of the Heir of Isildur (But were there any Elf females who may not have been? ). IMO, Arwen does nothing but 'sits back and looks pretty at daddy's dinner table.' (Good one, Rui!)

so though i agree with ruineil, i think my reasons for selecting eowyn is more that she overcame what she shouldnt have, and to destroy somethign greater seemingly takes a great person jsut to stand u to the challenge aka beren.

I agree with that. Eowyn fought against the odds and prevailed.

[olsonm]

Arwen was a far wiser and more powerful character than Eowyn, but Arwen is barely in the book whereas Eowyn has much to say and do. Eowyn wins by default.

[Radagast The Brown]

I don't like Eowyn. I didn't like her all over the book, the second and the third. I do like Arwen... from some reason. (no, not becuase of Liz Taylor. BoP already accused me of that, long time ago...) Probably becuase she was pictured as a beautiful high elf... (not as Lin/eric, the half evil elf)

[Ruinel]

There was the issue of Eowyn wanting Aragorn, but she redeemed herself later.

[Linaewen]

Originally posted by Radagast The Brown
I don't like Eowyn. I didn't like her all over the book, the second and the third. I do like Arwen... from some reason. (no, not becuase of Liz Taylor. BoP already accused me of that, long time ago...) Probably becuase she was pictured as a beautiful high elf...

So you like Arwen solely based on her beauty? Eowyn was also very fair, though she doesn't really compete with Arwen, an Elf who was said to be reminiscent of Lúthien.
Just curious- why don't you like Eowyn?

Originally posted by Ruinel
There was the issue of Eowyn wanting Aragorn, but she redeemed herself later.

Yeah, I suppose that's a weakness on her part, but it wasn't really her fault. You can't control your feelings.

[Sheeana]

Originally posted by Radagast The Brown
I don't like Eowyn. I didn't like her all over the book, the second and the third. I do like Arwen... from some reason. (no, not becuase of Liz Taylor. BoP already accused me of that, long time ago...) Probably becuase she was pictured as a beautiful high elf... (not as Lin/eric, the half evil elf)

Liv Tyler, you dopey little boy. And you have the memory of an elephant. When did I accuse you of THAT?

[Varda Oiolosseo]

I like Arwen best.

[Aewionen]

I like Eowyn more. They are both cool but I guess I like humans more than elves. Besides, she does more fighting and seems more like me then Arwen.

[elixir]

I like Arwen more. How can you say she didn't do anything? She gave up her immortality to be with her loved one. And that's why I admire her, not just because she was an elf...

[legolialis]

Eowyn's pretty and a fighter, she's got it goin on in both area's GO EOWYN!!!! sheildmaiden of the rohirim!!!!!