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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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04-06-2005, 07:32 PM | #363 | |
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04-06-2005, 07:58 PM | #364 |
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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It's a structure thing. Your and my use of partners implies a business-like propositional understanding of marriage. It is a legal entity requiring certain behaviors on the parts of the participants. And while the man and woman are partnered (remember my definition and defense of marriage!), the relationship is not a business venture per se. Partners are lesser subsets of covenanters. But the word covenant is not a popular word these days as a noun or verb. And this is where we get down to the difference between legal marriage and the concept of Christian marriage. The whole morass of Hebraic and Gentile marriage concepts get revivified and essentially redefined in the Pauline imagery of the Church (as she shall be in Him who bought her by His Blood in Eternity) as the bride of Christ. So, I would say, more than partners, much, much more. But you could argue AT LEAST partners as a sort of minimalist definition. But is your marriage partner one for whom you would die or just your main squeeze as you get through life? When properly proportioned as covenant makers, the relationship is more than just a silly RuLe MaDe FoR tHe IrRiTaTiOn Of MaLeS aNd FeMaLeS iN tHe TwEnTy-1St CeNtURy, after all!
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I see what you mean Inked, I just use the word partner in more than one situation. According to dictionary.com neither is wrong.
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Do you see my point, tho, about how "specialization" leads to a greater whole? Henry Ford found this out. And given my belief that God deliberately designed the two sexes, it makes sense that one would be chosen for the headship, since there's only two in the partnership and a vote won't settle it when they disagree.
I don't look at it as my husband being a "leader" and I'm not a leader. I lead in many areas. And I feel like I'm an equal partner. I have just chosen to allow his decisions to be final when we disagree (again, as long as I don't think he's doing something against the clearly stated will of God). He has great judgement, and if he makes a mistake, so what? So we learn for the next time. And he, more often than not, will give my opinion preference over his, because of his love for me. It's shameful how many men in the past have abused the verse on submission and conveniently ignored the verse directed at them to love their wives as Christ loves the church. However, that doesn't make the concept wrong, IMO. And when it's done right, it's excellent.
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I did see your points, and you articulate your beliefs eloquently. I wasn't saying that Biblical submission didn't make sense for you - clearly it does. I was saying that based on my own beliefs it doesn't make sense for me. Quote:
However, I see that comprimise is required on his part to fulfill his role, so really, the final decision is not always his own, and therefor there isn't one leader. Except, he has the power (though this would be misuse) to insist on his way all the time. So he is the one in charge. I've tried to outline my final bit of confusion (I realize we don't want to discuss this forever) internixed with what I understood of your views. I hope this was successful. Quote:
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04-07-2005, 05:48 PM | #371 |
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same with mine, JD, though if one person were to take charge it would havebeen me mam, cor she has a fiery spirit, and it is quite common in many similar families, south londoners from the irish community, women rule the roost, men do as they're told
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04-07-2005, 05:55 PM | #373 |
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hehehe irish and italian women have a lot in common
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As for knowing what you have been talking about - I have known perfectly well what you have been talking about - but many people here will agree with me that you are not making much sense. You say you don't take second place - yet you yourself say that your husband has final say in any disagreements. Funny - sounds like second place to me.
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something you agree on, fine something you disagree, your husband makes final say please dont take this the wrong way, but does that not imply that he holds the power? thereby making him an ipso facto leader? |
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Rian, are you saying that sometimes you make the final decision and sometimes your husband makes the final decision based on what it concerns?
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