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Well, that's sounds like an impressive collection of books you have there, RÃ*an. I'm trying to get my personal library started, but due to finanical constraints I must make do with the following for now: Bibles
My goal is to have at least three commentaries per book (i.e. three for Genesis) at my disposal, and I think that's where the next book budget is headed. Unfortunately I cannot for whatever reason stand softcover books -- everything must be hardcover, and this makes everything much more expensive. Thanks for giving me an idea of your collection. Most of the authors mentioned are familiar to me. Last edited by Andúril : 01-25-2003 at 03:37 PM. |
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I have just looked at my analysis of the Lewis quote, and it seems that I had misread the third sentence. I saw it as: Quote:
With the Unger's passage, however, the definition changes from an implicit weak omnipotence to an implicit strong omnipotence. I am not sure how you were able to miss such a blatant redefinition: Quote:
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Additionally, Gwaimir Windgem has claimed that logic does not apply to God -- this renders possible all actions, whether logical (to us) or not. Now, why should I have to defend strong omnipotence? I am not the one who claims that God has infinite power, or is not constrained by logic. The New Unger's Bible Dictionary has asserted the former, and Gwaimir has asserted the latter. Your contention should be with them, not me. You might want to take issue with J.A. Mchugh as well, who states: Quote:
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I see no more reason to alter this term than to alter the term "strong atheism". Last edited by Andúril : 01-26-2003 at 02:37 PM. |
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01-26-2003, 05:49 PM | #365 |
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*sees nice things that people have said about her, and blushes 10 shades of red*
Thank you so much I'm really honored that you've seen some of God's love thru me. I certainly give him the credit - I think I was the most selfish and self-centered person on the entire planet at one point in time, and He's worked really wonderful changes in me. And that's just one of the wonderful things about Christianity - it's not merely rules/philosophy, but it's about a loving relationship with the Creator of the universe. We just got back from church - another wonderful sermon and great worship time. I sure wish you guys could all be there with me I'll get back to you on Monday, Andúril, re omnipotence, since it's a day of rest for us Christians
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01-27-2003, 12:05 AM | #366 | |
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Power is the ability to perform work. Since n Power=n Work, then Infinite power is the ability to perform infinite work.
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01-27-2003, 12:37 AM | #367 |
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I'm a Catholic and my family comes from Germany, Ireland, France, England and Wales.
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01-27-2003, 01:16 AM | #368 |
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I feel much the same way, Arien, though I'm not Catholic: but I am definitely Christian, and feel Christian ties with LotR.
*wonders how sickening the non-Christians find this *
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01-27-2003, 01:35 AM | #370 |
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Hehe. I don't have that problem, but I can certainly understand how that would be annoying. But it is not; it is kinda like an adaptation of Nordic mythology to a 'prehistoric' Christianity. You can tell your friends that Tolkien himself said that it wasn't.
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! Last edited by RÃan : 01-27-2003 at 01:45 AM. |
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Maybe they'll listen with a direct quote.
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01-27-2003, 01:48 AM | #374 |
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Addendum: regarding omnipotence
I would like to further add that the amount of power available for work relates to the task performed only in a limiting, and not in a selective manner. That is to say, there is a minimum amount of effort that must be expended to perform any (possible) task, which means that something could be too difficult. However, one that minimal threshold has been reached, so that a given task can be achieved, other factors (i.e. character) determine if it will be achieved. When you are discussing omnipotence (which is as I pointed out above the ability to perform an infinite amount of work), there is no possibility that any given task could be too difficult. In which case factors apart from power will always make the decision whether something will be done. To summarize and conclude: God is omnipotent, which means that nothing is too difficult for him. What he does is not determined by power, but by character. Understand?
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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Letters is fabulous! I hope you can get it soon. And you're welcome for the quote
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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Yes, that's what my view on omnipotence has been all along: "Nothing is to difficult for thee" to quote a praise song. Too bad I can't word what I want to say!
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