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I do think that they were bad films. I consider them to be failures of narrative, plot, character, and circumstance. They were bad movies overall. I obviously didn't like them as much as you did. That said, there were /places/ in the films where I know what you're saying. Jackson ruined vast swaths of middle earth by making it into psuedomedieval hack fantasy. But in a few places the majesty and grandeur of Tolkien's world really did shine through. And you know... those few places almost make the whole thing worth it. If only the fools had seen fit to bring Tolkien's LOTR to the screen in whole, rather than in part.
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Very Cute.
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Last night I watched a "Screen to Film" TV show on the Making of Jaws. The author of the novel, Peter Benchley, who has written both novels and screenplays said the following when asked about the changes that were made in translating his novel to the big screen: Quote:
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You say we keep on bringing up small details like characters, well to me the characters are the #1 thing that makes the story. The characters are who you connect with and who carry you through the story. I would have been more accepting to changes to the book if the characters would have stayed the same. Characters are not a small detail, a small detail is like there are no mountains near the Shire, well in PJ's ME there is, that is a small detail, and not one I care to complain about. But the charaters for me are the most important detail of the story, to change the characters, and to rearange their dialoge is to destroy the entire story.
And LotR is through the eyes of the hobbits, and not because Tolkien said it was, it's because that is the way the story is written. There is no room for a difference of interpretaion when the story is written a certain way. Ever since the begining of writing LotR Tolkien had it through the eyes of the hobbits.
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You never defined "purist". You must be using a differant dictionary, since you seem to think it is an insult.
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Where do you draw the line at 'nescessary changes'? You know what? I'm perfectly okay with replacing Glorfindel with Arwen. I really am! I have nothing against the character of Arwen. What I /do/ have a problem with is this new, expanded Arwen usurping the roles (in the ford scenes) of Four Hobbits, Two Elven Lords, A Ranger and Future King, and a Maian Istari. Do you see the difference? The character of Glorfindel may not be nescessary. It may be fine to replace him. But to completely butcher that scene, placing the focus on Arwen's sword-brandishing and 'magic' rather than the group efforts of far more important characters than her, and completely... well rape is as suitable an ajective as I can find, the character of Frodo, turning him from a simple hobbit who finds within him the strength to resist both ring and morgul wound, into a simpering, fainting, pathetic... nothing. Do you see the tiny difference? Do you see how what was actually done might not fit the criteria of 'nescessary modifications'? The changes that were made were mostly ridiculous. While there were some that were logical and acceptable, such things as the ridiculous side trip to Osgiliath or elves showing up at helms deep add nothing to the story, and are not even remotely close to 'nescessary modifications'. They were not made because of the differences between film and written mediums, they were made because jackson insisted (foolishly) that he could tell the story better than tolkien.
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PJ has said many times in various interviews that he 'has improved Tolkien's work". And he has said that there was many things he disliked about the books and that is whay he made some of the changes he did.
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I'm mainly a book fan, although I own the first movie, saw the second (disappointed though) and will see the third. |
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Agreed completely, Wayfarer. *mutterings about how Glorfindel is not expendable*
And Gwaimir, why are you dimwitted now?
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Why Gwaimir, why?
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I think everyone has their own unique, personal level of tolerance for "changes to the book". BB's is extremely high, Mrs M's...very low. We all have our own little spot where we fit on this 'comfort level' measurement. Bottom line for me, (being quite selfish!
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I wonder, would any of you like the movies had you not read the books first?
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Towers, no. It was too choppy. None of the characters did I connect with. Some real cheesey camera shots. There was actually stuff in the movie that made me embarresed to even be in the audience.
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