Tolkien's Languages - Page 19

Ruinel · 07-15-2003, 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Falagar
Estel is not a verb.
-nte ("they") should be possessive -nta ("their").

Nothing else to add

Right, I should have said ... Haryan estel
and... you are correct... -nta. I'll go back and edit.

OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« · 07-15-2003, 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Elf Girl
harya estel, R?yel.

you could use the imperative on that. aa harya estel, Ruinel. negative imperative is aava. I hate these computers because they don't show accents or diareses. A letter with a diaresis doesn't show up at all, and accents are question marks, and random letters just don't show. ARGH.

Naas maara harya Elf Girl sinoomesse.

Elf Girl · 07-15-2003, 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by OrnelÃ*rÃ« MistÃ«
you could use the imperative on that. aa harya estel, Ruinel.

I did. I said 'Ã harya estel, RÃºnyel.' But since your computers don't display accents, you can't see the first letter. So 'AA harya estel, Ruunyel.'

(RÃºnyel, or Ruunyel for you is Ruinel's actual elven name.)

OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« · 07-15-2003, 04:49 PM

Ruucin autita(?)llo noole Quenyo. neeta noole "i lambe nooreo ortalal' anaro". Ta lamyea raica!

OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« · 07-15-2003, 04:51 PM

Isn't ruinel the Sindarin, and Ruunyel the Quenya?

Elf Girl · 07-15-2003, 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ruinel
Ni estel an fealya, Quendewen, ta fealya nÃ¡ ÃºrÃ¡cina estelanen an Atani. OhtacÃ¡rente yo queninte.

(I got all of this but ÃºrÃ¡cina.)
Estel nÃ¡ coi.

Quote:

Originally posted by Ruinel
AlassÃ«, ta utÃºliel ar tec sÃ*men. Ar limbÃ« liÃ« tul sÃ*men, Atani, Quendi, NaucaliÃ«, ar Periannath.

AlassÃ«! AlassÃ«!

OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« · 07-15-2003, 04:54 PM

Herunya, ta naa uufaila!!!

Merin cene "accents"!!! Agggh!

Elf Girl · 07-15-2003, 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by OrnelÃ*rÃ« MistÃ«
Naas maara harya Elf Girl sinoomesse.

I translated that without even using my wordlist! ALASSÃ‹Ã‹Ã‹Ã‹Ã‹Ã‹!

Sorry, random burst of happiness here. AlassÃ«!

For Ornelire: ALASSEEEEE!

OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« · 07-15-2003, 04:58 PM

Ar alasse nin! Vinya nonwa, ceenen "accents".

OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« · 07-15-2003, 05:00 PM

In a post above, it says uuraacina, meaning unbroken or unconfused.

Ruinel · 07-15-2003, 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by OrnelÃ*rÃ« MistÃ«
Isn't ruinel the Sindarin, and Ruunyel the Quenya?

Sanda, RÃºnyÃ©l nÃ¡ Quenya anessÃ«, ar Ruinel nÃ¡ Sindarin anessÃ«.

Falagar · 07-17-2003, 11:55 AM

I'll be gone for a week now (trip to Denmark), namÃ¡riÃ«! (or naamarie

)

Ruinel · 07-18-2003, 01:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by OrnelÃ*rÃ« MistÃ«
Herunya, ta naa uufaila!!!
Merin cene "accents"!!! Agggh!

Translation:
Lady-Red Flame, it is not fair!!! I wish see "accents"!!! Agggh!

Quote:

Vinya nonwa, ceenen "accents".

New under ?? "accents". (not sure about nonwa)

(just for you, no accents on this one. )
Heri Miste, istan naa uufaila. Carin quenti an le uu "accents".

Falagar, Namaarie.

Anar kaluva tielyanna.

OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« · 07-20-2003, 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ruinel
Translation:
Lady-Red Flame, it is not fair!!! I wish see "accents"!!! Agggh!

New under ?? "accents". (not sure about nonwa)

(just for you, no accents on this one. )
Heri Miste, istan naa uufaila. Carin quenti an le uu "accents".

Falagar, Namaarie. Anar kaluva tielyanna.

Computer is nonwa, or so it says at newwords at elm. So, new computer, I (can) see accents!! I meant to say herunya, my lord.

Hantanyel an eteecie/tence 'accents'.

Ruinel · 07-20-2003, 07:20 PM

Where did you find the new words? And what is 'elm'?

OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« · 07-21-2003, 02:32 PM

newwords at elm: http://www.elvish.org/elm/newwords.html
I few words I don't agree with. there is a word for happy, so do we really need joyful?

I meant to say; hantanyel an uu-tence/uu-eteecie 'accents'. my mind is dead.

Ruinel · 07-22-2003, 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by OrnelÃ*rÃ« MistÃ«
I meant to say; hantanyel an uu-tence/uu-eteecie 'accents'. my mind is dead.

Translation: I thank you for not writting 'accents'.

Saamal naa firin!?!

{SÃ¡mal nÃ¡ firin!?!}

Hantanyel an i "website" an sinya quenti. Yuhtuvanes iire (Ã*rÃ«) lertan. Ya quenti avaanta (avÃ¡nta) le alasse?

OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« · 07-22-2003, 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ruinel
Saamal naa firin!?! {SÃ¡mal nÃ¡ firin!?!}

Hantanyel an i "website" an sinya quenti. Yuhtuvanes iire (Ã*rÃ«) lertan. Ya quenti avaanta (avÃ¡nta) le alasse?

Trans: You mind is dead!?!

( I assume you mean your? or perhaps saamal means mind?)

Trans:Thank you for the website for new(?) words.(It found/yuht was not it) when I can. What words you have refused you joy? (what words have you refused, I think? but what is this joy doing in there?)

I quent' eleertanie naa quente an "who". Ea quente an 'who"-- 'man' naa "what" ar "who". (Right?)

There may be a few more words I don't particularly like, but I am pleased to have a word for photography.

Ruinel · 07-23-2003, 07:32 PM

Your translation is pretty accurate. But that is what I get for being cocky and not double checking my words with the word list!

I meant to ask you which words refuse you you. You said some you are not happy with... and I couldn't think of another way to ask you which ones are you unhappy with.

Quote:

I quent' eleertanie naa quente an "who". Ea quente an 'who"-- 'man' naa "what" ar "who". (Right?)

"the word 'eleertanie' is worded for 'who'. Exists word for 'who' --- 'man' is 'what' and 'who'."
Sanda, quetel sanda. I quent ea an 'who' ar 'what'.

Man quenti pella sin? utuuvienye masse utuliel 'or'.

Ai, a-nanta laa quent an 'chocolate',

i maara apsa Atanon, ya melessen.

OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« · 07-24-2003, 03:31 PM

My God, I am pissed. I signed in, wrote a long and good response... and guess what happens? They say I wasn't logged in. Not again!

I'll write it again, I guess... sigh.

TRANS: True, you speak true[would sandave be truly?]. The word exists for 'who' and 'what'.

What words beyond this? I have found masse you have found [lengthen that stem vowel! typo, I assume, or I got the word wrong] 'or'.

Alas, and yet no word for 'chocolate', the good food of Atani [Atanion?], which I love [I love could be melin, but I like melesse. Even though melme exists with the same meaning I like melesse as a verb and noun. Sounds nice.]

I quenti uu-melin:
1.Arama: doom What about umbar (fate, doom)? Yes I notice those two words are different. Maybe it is ok.
2. Anwave: certainly, surely I once heard of tancave (certainly, assuredly).
3. Ceniril(le):mirror Wasn't the word for glass the same as mirror? I like this sort of thing, it exists in French (la glace= ice, glass, mirror, ice cream...)
4.Cilme: choice Not bad, suspicious of the ending. By the way, I will check out Ardalambion soon to discover some things.
5.Cilta: divide Imo, this one sounds like a verb. Almost sure lt is legitimate. If not, a verb for 'to halve' exists.
6.Ecar: or Or is 'var'.
7.Ettuc: draw out Alright, what about the one for 'to scoop out'?
8.Firta: to kill I'll accept it if there is no other word for kill.
9.Manan: how, why What about manen?
10.Porisalque: corn, or literally 'flour-grass'. Give Elves more credit than that! They're creative and would also create less cumbersome a word.
Those are the words that I am unsure about. My opinions on them may change, and I promise to research into these things when I have the time. Here are some words I like, that I think we really need:
Saita: to teach
Sana: to think
Yuhta: to use
Yur: to run (Now we can create a new name for Homestar!Woo.)

Tell me what you think.
hmmm.......Elemmar-i-Yuura (homestar who runs...)hmmmmmm....

07-15-2003, 04:49 PM	#364
OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 482	Ruucin autita(?)llo noole Quenyo. neeta noole "i lambe nooreo ortalal' anaro". Ta lamyea raica! __________________ "Lot of people say this city looks like Hell," Allie said. She took a long drag from her cigarette. The glowing tip burned a hole in the darkness. "Most people never been to Hell," Jacob said. She looked at him and he could hear the smile in her voice. "And I suppose you have?"

07-15-2003, 04:51 PM	#365
OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 482	Isn't ruinel the Sindarin, and Ruunyel the Quenya? __________________ "Lot of people say this city looks like Hell," Allie said. She took a long drag from her cigarette. The glowing tip burned a hole in the darkness. "Most people never been to Hell," Jacob said. She looked at him and he could hear the smile in her voice. "And I suppose you have?"

07-15-2003, 04:54 PM	#367
OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 482	Herunya, ta naa uufaila!!! Merin cene "accents"!!! Agggh! __________________ "Lot of people say this city looks like Hell," Allie said. She took a long drag from her cigarette. The glowing tip burned a hole in the darkness. "Most people never been to Hell," Jacob said. She looked at him and he could hear the smile in her voice. "And I suppose you have?" Last edited by OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« : 07-15-2003 at 04:55 PM.

07-15-2003, 04:58 PM	#369
OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 482	Ar alasse nin! Vinya nonwa, ceenen "accents". __________________ "Lot of people say this city looks like Hell," Allie said. She took a long drag from her cigarette. The glowing tip burned a hole in the darkness. "Most people never been to Hell," Jacob said. She looked at him and he could hear the smile in her voice. "And I suppose you have?"

07-15-2003, 05:00 PM	#370
OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 482	In a post above, it says uuraacina, meaning unbroken or unconfused. __________________ "Lot of people say this city looks like Hell," Allie said. She took a long drag from her cigarette. The glowing tip burned a hole in the darkness. "Most people never been to Hell," Jacob said. She looked at him and he could hear the smile in her voice. "And I suppose you have?"

07-17-2003, 11:55 AM	#372
Falagar Death of Mooters and [Entmoot] Internal Affairs Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 2,870	I'll be gone for a week now (trip to Denmark), namÃ¡riÃ«! (or naamarie ) __________________ FÃ«anor - Innocence incarnated Still, AikanÃ¡ro 'till the Last battle.

07-20-2003, 07:20 PM	#375
Ruinel Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: I have no idea. Posts: 5,441	Where did you find the new words? And what is 'elm'?

07-21-2003, 02:32 PM	#376
OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 482	newwords at elm: http://www.elvish.org/elm/newwords.html I few words I don't agree with. there is a word for happy, so do we really need joyful? I meant to say; hantanyel an uu-tence/uu-eteecie 'accents'. my mind is dead. __________________ "Lot of people say this city looks like Hell," Allie said. She took a long drag from her cigarette. The glowing tip burned a hole in the darkness. "Most people never been to Hell," Jacob said. She looked at him and he could hear the smile in her voice. "And I suppose you have?"

07-24-2003, 03:31 PM	#380
OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 482	My God, I am pissed. I signed in, wrote a long and good response... and guess what happens? They say I wasn't logged in. Not again! I'll write it again, I guess... sigh. TRANS: True, you speak true[would sandave be truly?]. The word exists for 'who' and 'what'. What words beyond this? I have found masse you have found [lengthen that stem vowel! typo, I assume, or I got the word wrong] 'or'. Alas, and yet no word for 'chocolate', the good food of Atani [Atanion?], which I love [I love could be melin, but I like melesse. Even though melme exists with the same meaning I like melesse as a verb and noun. Sounds nice.] I quenti uu-melin: 1.Arama: doom What about umbar (fate, doom)? Yes I notice those two words are different. Maybe it is ok. 2. Anwave: certainly, surely I once heard of tancave (certainly, assuredly). 3. Ceniril(le):mirror Wasn't the word for glass the same as mirror? I like this sort of thing, it exists in French (la glace= ice, glass, mirror, ice cream...) 4.Cilme: choice Not bad, suspicious of the ending. By the way, I will check out Ardalambion soon to discover some things. 5.Cilta: divide Imo, this one sounds like a verb. Almost sure lt is legitimate. If not, a verb for 'to halve' exists. 6.Ecar: or Or is 'var'. 7.Ettuc: draw out Alright, what about the one for 'to scoop out'? 8.Firta: to kill I'll accept it if there is no other word for kill. 9.Manan: how, why What about manen? 10.Porisalque: corn, or literally 'flour-grass'. Give Elves more credit than that! They're creative and would also create less cumbersome a word. Those are the words that I am unsure about. My opinions on them may change, and I promise to research into these things when I have the time. Here are some words I like, that I think we really need: Saita: to teach Sana: to think Yuhta: to use Yur: to run (Now we can create a new name for Homestar!Woo.) Tell me what you think. hmmm.......Elemmar-i-Yuura (homestar who runs...)hmmmmmm.... __________________ "Lot of people say this city looks like Hell," Allie said. She took a long drag from her cigarette. The glowing tip burned a hole in the darkness. "Most people never been to Hell," Jacob said. She looked at him and he could hear the smile in her voice. "And I suppose you have?"

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