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As for the thread - it was also to talk abou how science does not support creationism. [Edited by azalea -- points may be made or questions asked in this thread about evolution and where it differs from creationism]
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BTW, reading your quote, I have a question for you on this subject - from what I can tell, your opinion is that creationism is outside the realm of science, right? (please correct me if I'm wrong [edited by azalea for ambiguous phrasing]) If creationism is outside the realm of science, then how can we "talk abou how science does not support creationism."?
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NOTE - as thread-starter, in order to keep on-topic, I have moved the disagreements over to a new thread, called "Philosophies of Disagreements" (or something like that). Let's get back on topic here, please.
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Here's IRex's post that I wanted to talk about :
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More on IRex' post - in option 1, "Science Only: Evolution is a natural aspect of our universe and there is no guiding or initiating force involved."
See, again, I think the problem here is the use of the word "evolution". People mean so many different things by that word. When you say "evolution" in this context, what exactly do you mean? And another thing - what do you mean by "initiating force"? If it's what I think you mean, then wouldn't that be outside the realm of science?
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what is going on with these threads?
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so um, the red queen effect...
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To me, the reason evolution seems impractical is that it makes (seemingly) a mountain out of a molehill. Scientists like to zoom up on the molehill, and to them it looks like a mountain. Why do we have to think that the earth's beginnings had to be complicated? And why do most atheists look at creationism as "cheap, convenient, magical"? Creationism is no more convenient than evolution. I look at Science (not the same as Evolution) as something that had to exist as a result of our existing; God made us from dust, material, and science as we all know, has to do with the study of. Science is like clothing I like to think, but it is not the whole picture. My citing the mountain of a molehill is for this: complexity does not equal life. Just because the Theory of Evolution is complex and scientific and makes sense in theory does not prove anything, IMO. I say the more complex and scientific, the more probability of creation through a creator. Let me add another word, Sophistication. The world is not only complex, it is sophisticated. No amount of time (IMO), material, and explosions could have brought about this planet that works to support life. And then there are the genes (EACH ONE) in our body that are more complex than the Encyclopedia Brittanica (I always preferred the Americana myself). Deep down in every part of genes and strands and all that other stuff that makes me dizzy, there is complexity and sophistication. Note! I said that complexity does not equal life, and later I seem to contradict myself. I am actually saying that just because Evolution is a complex theory etc...and my further comments on complexity have to do with complexity pointing to a creator...etc.
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