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2. And I spend my life tring to mend the damages that your "morality" causes to LGBT youth (albeit I am only a volunteer and I am not a professional in that). And it very likely that siminar damages are made to heterosexual youth; I just don't have the occasion of dealing much with that. Quote:
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If safer sex education is that great, why is anyone getting pregnant accidentally? And why, when they do, is it the fault of abstinence teaching, which they don't receive... ever?
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04-04-2005, 06:35 PM | #366 |
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"and now i've done too much much too young..." (..."and now i'm married with a kid and should be having fun with you , with you! oo eeoo!" etc) doesn't it work both ways? Aren't we individuals? Did not God wan't us to procreate? Do you know all the answers? Because i hold up my hand up right here right now: i don't! Are the teachings of Christ, the same as the modern day Church? Or the words of Allah the same as the preachings of some Imam's? I.e if (some) of our various spiritual leaders preach holy war, intolerance or distrust or Jihad / or impose docrine onto morality above and beyond the gospels and commandments of the prophet or Lord they speak in the name of, can we as either rational or faithful people rightly in any sense follow them as sheep on the road to damascus ?(or anywhere else - vegas, London, NYC, Paris, Dublin, Stockholm, the local wherever?) By which i mean: is it not the choice of mankind to live and be judged, not by imposed and corrupted (often) doctrine but by what is in each and everyone's own heart and soul? For me, to impose dogma and confine our most natural propogenic (and presumably god-given) procreatic urges and desires to a set of cold, artificial man-made rigid so-called "moral" codes and behaviours is not wrong: - you can see especially in the modern world where the not (generally) un-understanaable priniciples come from - is not wrong in a moral sense: it just does not square (in absolute truth) with the key fundamental principals of most of its advocates: i.e the preachings of their various denominations at core as opposed to the modern day 21st century concerns as expressed in these posts. To be concise: i do not make any moral judgment on those who choose abstinesnce: nor those who even at heart feel it a force for "good" in others as such, but i have moral and deep misgivings regarding those that would step righteously step above the word of God or Society and seek to impose or Rigidly influence others, often at a formative or emotionally confusing time, with Doctrine and mental straight-jackets rather than offering Filial support, help or friendly advice: is it not the trust of Freedom (and the true value of freedom that we can choose to be good or whole or make moral decisions or be able to make mistakes and be re-deemded or forgiven or learn and grow as people?) that we really debating here? Is it not a freedom both of society, a freedom of individuality AND a freedom of the exprerssion of the Soul in virtually all major religons that to experience and to grow as a soul is the path of life? For sure there are basic and universially worthwhile laws to stand as our pillars of morality: do not kill, lie, steal, cheat, covert, etc - but are we saying that God the redeemer the merciful, etc is so shallow thathe will judge your very soul on the basis of some man-made man imposed dogma? Asthe Pope (RIP) lying in death in Rome enters life, cannot we see the truth here? John paul 2 believed and was true to his beliefs no matter what the current man-made media issues of the day: for that repsect (if not personally for all his views) is it not the case that God will welcome him as being true - and faithful in the same way as anyone else (quite often holding exact opposing views) is true to themselves and their basic principles, being true in spiritual ways to God rather than in any doctrinal man-made way imposed upon them falsely (however well meaning?) I.E: abstinence is fine if of free will: as a society or in groups to seek to impose it through even the most innocouous ways has moral worries for me. Not as individuals but for me its the debate between the key precepts of any moral God and the machinations and imperfections of mankind in relating to or willfully imposing meaning on these in the name of the truth they corrode. |
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As for blaming bill for every issue - there is your usual generalization and your way of knocking anything I say. I'll have you know that there were some things I supported Clinton on - but you never care to remember those because then that ruins your little snide attacks against me.
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I can't remember where someone (I think IRex) complained that a study on the CDC site was taken down, supposedly because it was not in-line with the Bush administration's policies, but if this is the study, then I sure see why it was taken down!! :
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As for the heritage.org counter strike you posted, is it your argument that virginity till marriage should be our official sex education policy? It doesnt work on a mass scale. Its great for individual situations where its appropriate but to say we should have all kids pledging this is absurd. It wont work. Milions wouldnt stick to it and youd end up screwing over the kids that dont because you provide them with nothing. So they do what they please and end up getting in trouble. In fact in schools where it was a school wide policy (promoted actively among all the kids) something like 88% agreed to it EVEN THOUGH something like 28% had already lost their virginity. What a joke... The reason for this clear discrepancy? Peer pressure. Many said well I just wanted to be part of the trend. And didnt bother to think what it really meant to make this pledge (clearly if they werent virgins at the time...).
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And, more positives....
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/co...ersons_en.html This is posted in full in the AVE PAPA thread but cited here for interest as regards TEEN ABSTINENCE in whatever orientation one may think one has.
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I resurrected this thread to suggest that all 'Mooters catch this week's NEWSWEEK historical review on AIDS/HIV at
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12663345/site/newsweek/ Well worth everyone's attention as regards this STD and its history. I can attest to its fairness and accuracy since I grew up with this disease from 2nd year medical school to date.
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Hebephilia. Interesting. So they have terms for people who are attracted to very specific ages now? I guess it makes sense since pedo refers to prepubescent. But 16 and 17 only?
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...901907_pf.html I think this definitely comes under pedo and hebe.
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