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Also - I would like to note - that you are not the only person here - and I was not posting them for your sole benefit. I had the thread in mind when I posted them - because they do deal with the discussion at hand. Oh I could have just posted links - but you see I have found with my FOUR years of being here - that links die and then when you try to reread things - you don't know what the hell was in the documents. This is way when people come back in a year and look over the thread - they get to see what was in the websites I quoted - whether they go off line or not. Quote:
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![]() On the spirit of Christmas making people more open to the lessons of Love, we agree. ![]() On not taking a howitzer where an idea will do, we agree. ![]() On co-opting the pagan solstice celebrations, I'm not so sure it happened that way. I think when the Christians were in the minority, they celebrated in their own way to avoid being persecuted. I don't think they had the intent to co-opt. But on generic shop window greetings, if you were in the minority and you were being excluded by the majority, I would be defending you. But since you seem to condone excluding the other religions, I have to argue with you. And on the crass commercialization, the reason the paid mouthpieces of the news media are all excited about this story is 1. it sells, 2. they will not come down against business because business buys ads, and 3. nothing will change as a result of their actions but they will SEEM pure. It is my strongly felt opinion that the spirit of this season is that it is a time for families to gather in a circle of love. If that means church services for some, family dinners for others, and gift exchanges for some, then that is how they create their circle of love. But I am much more offended by the spirit of greed that takes over this celebration than by the lack of images from my particular sect in the commercial spaces. ![]() |
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Don't we have a thread on the discussion of the commercialisation of christmas? What does this have to do with PCness?
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JD, please stop characterising my opinions on other threads. It detracts from the discussion at hand. If you want to work something out back channel, I am always open to it.
(On that other thread I stated my opinion, post-election, that my party was NOT an immoral party, that our positions were based on our morality of which I am very sure are good morals, and I stated that we should not change our values as some suggested at the time. I stand by that. You and inked posted thing in that thread that were deleted by the admins. He posted an article that made a reference to the Senator from New York which used inapproriate languge. You made blatant personal attacks. I replied and my replies were deleted, too. Clearly they do not want this continued. So stop.) |
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BTW - most Indians - don't call themselves Native Americans. On the reserve - I've never heard them call themselves that and Trish has always thought it was stupid. They've always referred to themselves as Indians - so again it seems to be people assuming that something is offensive - when it isn't. All PC is is speech control.
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When I went to see A Christmas Carol my friends and I got into this discussion - about the Merry Christmas and PC. It was sort of funny - because they brought it up. The person who brought it up - happens to be black - the first time we met we saw a play together as part of the "Gateway Regional Tourism Council" meeting at the George Street Playhouse in New Brunswick call "Allelujeh Baby!!". Ironically enough - it was about race relations. It followed this person (the characters didn't age) who was black and wanted to be a star from the 1900's to modern day. Through the decades it covered all the racism - white against black, black against white, white against white, black against black - until it reached the 21st century and they showed how far we have come. And it's not because some people say "African-American" versus "black" - but it's attitude. It isn't the words that make the difference - it's the THOUGHTS behind the words that make the difference.
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My world is narrow because I want to include everyone. How's that for Newspeak?
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How nice of you to justify ignoring another holiday because you choose to generalize about every single person that celebrates it. Yep its gotta be those damn racist blacks again who have a problem with Bing Crosby and Santa Claus. Spare me. This is a pathetic excuse to insist that no one should be saying "happy holidays" in december. how ridiculous. Can someone please tell me who has legislated that we cant say merry christmas any more? or where this is coming from exactly? it seems like such a ridiculous accusation. in fact it doesnt seem to be about not being able to say merry christmas, it seems to be about "oh you BETTER ONLY say merry christmas!". And who is the thought police again? well I say let people say happy holidays if they want. i mean most people just dont care. And word of advice: when you overkill with outside articles you shoot yourself in the foot. One article is good. I read through that first post. Then realized i was only half way through that whole thing and there was another enormous post to follow. I skimmed through that because it wasnt very funny anymore. Then i realized there was like EIGHT more! I skipped them because i had lost interest by then. So what was the purpose of dumping all of those in one after the other ranting on about the evils of political correctness exactly? Theres a strategy to injecting outside sources. Even biased opinion pieces like those can be useful. But theres no real point jamming so much down our throats at once. The people who disagree with your opinion will quickly lose interest and no useful discussion will result.
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IR, there's some public school that won't allow the kids to sing Silent Night anymore. It's at CNN.com right now. It's absurd. But the problem was, Jewish kids who didn't sing it, who closed their mouths during that song, were in the past kicked out of the choir or didn't get a grade. It was handled wrong in the past, so now nobody can sing it? That's not right, either. What we should be teach our kids (yes I said our kids, hehehehe) is to negotiate a fair resolution to their differences. Forcing and banning are both extremist reactions.
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