Relativism VS. Absoulte - Page 18

emplynx · 08-22-2002, 06:13 PM

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Originally posted by Anduril

2) If he created evil, why would he want to destroy it?

This might be wrong and it might have also been said already but... God did not have to actually create evil. He created good, and the absence of good is evil. Make sence?

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Originally posted by markedel
B) Bad people who are rewarded in life, are punished much worse after death, the reverse is true for the Good

Not true, Christians are rewarded in life and also in death...

Eruviel Greenleaf · 08-23-2002, 01:48 AM

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Originally posted by emplynx
What they told us at Summit on God and Evil:
1) God is all-good so he must destroy evil
2) God has not yet destroyed evil
3) God will destroy evil in the future.

And you simply accept this as the truth, without questions?

Oh, and Emplynx, what if one is Christian, but is not good?

BeardofPants · 08-23-2002, 01:53 AM

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Originally posted by Eruviel Greenleaf
And you simply accept this as the truth, without questions?

The very tenet of their faith, you could say.

Eruviel Greenleaf · 08-23-2002, 01:59 AM

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Originally posted by BeardofPants

The very tenet of their faith, you could say.

Oh. Right. Blind faith. Forgot about that bit...

BeardofPants · 08-23-2002, 02:36 AM

Good thing I'm here to remind you.

Andúril · 08-23-2002, 02:47 AM

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Emplynx:
This might be wrong and it might have also been said already but... God did not have to actually create evil. He created good, and the absence of good is evil. Make sence[sic]?

God did create evil. Doesn't Emplynx read his bible?

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Why has Emplynx neglected to comment on points (1) and (3)?

Lizra · 08-23-2002, 08:07 AM

There must be some internet "Bible Argument" sites. I can't imagine Anduril reading his either!

Andúril · 08-23-2002, 09:23 AM

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Lizra:
I can't imagine Anduril reading his either!

Hmm, you assume I even have a Bible...

Actually, I have four:

(Three in hardcopy)
King James Version
New International Version
Standard Revised Version

(One in electronic format)
Young's Literal Translation.

And I'm planning on buying the Septuagint at some later stage...

See? I'm your regular Thumper.

Lizra · 08-23-2002, 11:35 AM

You are so cute!

Blackheart · 08-23-2002, 01:20 PM

Sheesh, boring in here.

Enough talk about good.

Prove to me that evil can be relative.

Can you have absolute evil?

BeardofPants · 08-23-2002, 06:59 PM

Show me the absolutely evil entity, and I'll show you the woman behind him.

Blackheart · 08-23-2002, 08:04 PM

So you're saying that women are inherantly more evil?

BeardofPants · 08-23-2002, 08:10 PM

I'm saying I've yet to meet someone who is absolutely evil. Even Hitler had his good points.

And yes, women are inherently more evil than men. It's called manipulation.

Arathorn · 08-23-2002, 08:35 PM

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Originally posted by BeardofPants

And yes, women are inherently more evil than men. It's called manipulation.

Manipulate me. Manipulate me!

***Earniel*** · 08-24-2002, 08:15 AM

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Originally posted by Arathorn
Manipulate me. Manipulate me!

Starr Polish · 08-25-2002, 11:56 PM

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Originally posted by Eruviel Greenleaf

Oh, and Emplynx, what if one is Christian, but is not good?

Then, well, one is simply human.

You should know that

markedel · 08-26-2002, 10:20 PM

I thoguht the queestion can there be absolute good and evil.

Interstingly if there is not absolute good and evil then there is no good and evil!

Starr Polish · 08-26-2002, 11:17 PM

Not true.

Anyway, I don't believe PEOPLE, mortal beings, non-ethereal beings, what have you, can be purely good or purely evil (I don't count Jesus among this, because Him being the Son of God makes him an ethereal being).

Andúril · 08-27-2002, 03:04 AM

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Starr Polish:
I don't believe PEOPLE, mortal beings, non-ethereal beings, what have you, can be purely good or purely evil (I don't count Jesus among this, because Him being the Son of God makes him an ethereal being).

Dictionary.com:

1. Characterized by lightness and insubstantiality; intangible.
2. Highly refined; delicate. See Synonyms at airy.
3.
a. Of the celestial spheres; heavenly.
b. Not of this world; spiritual.
4. Chemistry. Of or relating to ether.

Starr's comment is intriguing. She seems to be saying that only ethereal beings can be purely good or purely evil. Maybe in her next post she will provide the biblical (or other) evidence for that assertion.

It should be noted that Jesus was not entirely ethereal when he lived upon the earth, in that he was composed of both soul and flesh. In fact, one could say that he was just as ethereal as anyone else. It follows that Jesus, during the time that he is claimed to have physically existed on Earth, was neither purely good nor purely evil.

Starr says that people can't be purely good or evil, yet Jesus (or God) was a person.
She says that mortal beings can't be purely good or evil, yet Jesus was a mortal being in the same way that we are all mortal beings - by Christian theology our flesh dies but our souls go on.
She says that non-ethereal beings can't be purely good or evil, yet all humans (having souls) are partly ethereal, in the same way that Jesus was partly ethereal when he lived on Earth.

Starr Polish · 08-27-2002, 08:15 AM

Perhaps I should have said deities. And I don't consider Jesus to be 'mortal', although he did die, in a sense, but not in one that we can understand.

More later, it's early morning and I have to go to school.

08-23-2002, 02:36 AM	#345
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	Good thing I'm here to remind you. __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

08-23-2002, 01:20 PM	#350
Blackheart Elf Lord Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Darkness Posts: 1,211	Sheesh, boring in here. Enough talk about good. Prove to me that evil can be relative. Can you have absolute evil? __________________ I have harnessed the shadows that stride from world to world to sow death and madness... Queer haow a cravin' gits a holt on ye -- As ye love the Almighty, young man, don't tell nobody, but I swar ter Gawd thet picter begun ta make me hungry fer victuals I couldn't raise nor buy -- here, set still, what's ailin' ye? ...

08-23-2002, 06:59 PM	#351
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	Show me the absolutely evil entity, and I'll show you the woman behind him. __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

08-23-2002, 08:04 PM	#352
Blackheart Elf Lord Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Darkness Posts: 1,211	So you're saying that women are inherantly more evil? __________________ I have harnessed the shadows that stride from world to world to sow death and madness... Queer haow a cravin' gits a holt on ye -- As ye love the Almighty, young man, don't tell nobody, but I swar ter Gawd thet picter begun ta make me hungry fer victuals I couldn't raise nor buy -- here, set still, what's ailin' ye? ...

08-23-2002, 08:10 PM	#353
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	I'm saying I've yet to meet someone who is absolutely evil. Even Hitler had his good points. And yes, women are inherently more evil than men. It's called manipulation. __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

08-23-2002, 08:07 AM	#347
Lizra Domesticated Swing Babe Join Date: May 2002 Location: Reality Posts: 5,340	There must be some internet "Bible Argument" sites. I can't imagine Anduril reading his either!

08-23-2002, 11:35 AM	#349
Lizra Domesticated Swing Babe Join Date: May 2002 Location: Reality Posts: 5,340	You are so cute!

08-26-2002, 10:20 PM	#357
markedel 'Sober' Mullet Frosh Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Queen's Posts: 1,245	I thoguht the queestion can there be absolute good and evil. Interstingly if there is not absolute good and evil then there is no good and evil! __________________ "Earnur was a man like his father in valour, but not in wisdom"

08-26-2002, 11:17 PM	#358
Starr Polish Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Slow down and I sail on the river, slow down and I walk to the hill Posts: 2,389	Not true. Anyway, I don't believe PEOPLE, mortal beings, non-ethereal beings, what have you, can be purely good or purely evil (I don't count Jesus among this, because Him being the Son of God makes him an ethereal being). __________________ “The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.” –Bertrand Russell

08-27-2002, 08:15 AM	#360
Starr Polish Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Slow down and I sail on the river, slow down and I walk to the hill Posts: 2,389	Perhaps I should have said deities. And I don't consider Jesus to be 'mortal', although he did die, in a sense, but not in one that we can understand. More later, it's early morning and I have to go to school. __________________ “The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.” –Bertrand Russell Last edited by Starr Polish : 08-27-2002 at 05:53 PM.

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