03-13-2011, 01:15 AM | #341 |
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Well, really, who doesn't?
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03-13-2011, 07:45 AM | #342 |
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Isn't cheating on an Ethics exam an immediate fail?
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03-13-2011, 09:37 AM | #343 |
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Depends on what your personal ethics are. Ethics are after all not fixed.
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03-14-2011, 06:20 AM | #345 |
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Dunno about that. Just because someone has no problem with cheating, doesn't make his actions ethical.
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03-14-2011, 02:17 PM | #346 |
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From your point of view (and that of the general Western public) not perhaps, but some people may see it as a point of honour to be able to cheat without getting caught. For some people it is ethical because they give 'the opponent' the chance to catch them at it.
There are loads of different ethics out there and not all of them compare to ours. Just ask my international students
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03-14-2011, 02:45 PM | #347 |
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Careful, dear. You're careening awfully close to proposing objectively meaningful morality, or some similar absurdity.
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03-14-2011, 04:33 PM | #348 |
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You know, I can't even understand what you're saying. Which reminds me again of why I find philosophical debates so utterly pointless. So I'm off to do something useful instead.
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03-15-2011, 11:52 AM | #349 |
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Hmm, I didn't think my post was that hard to understand, but okay
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03-15-2011, 02:15 PM | #350 |
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I'm with Gwai on this one
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Oh, it was a reply to Gwaimir. Yours was fine, although I may not agree. But it was Gwai's I didn't get.
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Just the fact that you don't agree with Mari, kind of proves her point I think...
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I don't know, unless you are all three saying that ethics (system of moral principles and rules of behaviour as according to the dictionary) are completely subjective and entirely, 100% personal? And that ethics on level of societies do not exist? I didn't get that impression at first.
[EDIT: Oh, I see I missed Mari's second post, I was still referring to the first one when I said I may not agree.] But frankly, I'm going to drop it. We've gone off topic already far enough and I have the sneaking suspicion there's a fundamental confusion of thoughts.
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Earniel, ethics are not entirely personal because (at least as we've discussed in my classes) what we consider to be "good, ethical behavior," tends to function on the modified version of the Golden Rule, "Do not do unto others as you would not wish them to do unto you." And there are many things that people can agree they don't want someone else to do to them.
For instance, if you go by that rule, is it ethical to run past someone dying in the street if you can help them? No. But it might be completely ethical to run past them if you knew that by ignoring them you could save hundreds of other lives, and if you stopped to help that one person, the hundreds of others would die. Of course what if saving that one person, and letting the hundreds die, meant that the person you saved could then go and save millions of others? Ethics are actually fairly subjective and require context. Because we don't have a way of seeing the future perfectly (i.e. how could you know that one person could save millions?), there is a concept which puts forward that you are not responsible for whether your ethical beliefs are "right" or "wrong," but are instead responsible for how you came to those beliefs. If your belief was that by ignoring the one person you could save hundreds, it might be unethical (assuming you value mass human life over a single life) to stop. If you knew that person could save the millions, it might be unethical for you to pass them by. .... can we tell I've only had half a semester? Tessar doesn't know what he's talking about. Earniel I'm actually really, really enjoying the ethics class. It's giving me a much better context for understanding people around me, and frankly just gives me THAT MUCH MORE ability to judge people for things other than the fact that their socks don't match their belt. It's also giving me some really interesting insights into religious belief. |
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And, as we all know, the real point of morality is being able to look down on other people.
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Thanks for the memo, Captain Obvious. I think we all already knew that ethics is here to teach us how to make fun of others.
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WOOHOO!!! I just started working on the Mozart Sonata 545k on Monday (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPo3u...eature=related) and yesterday evening I was seriously thinking of giving it up, because it was hurting my hands to try to play it and I couldn't get some of it to work... but today I sat down and played the first page with only minor difficulty and it didn't bother my hands.
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i'm going to the uk for 3 weeks in april, because s is spending 2 months there, and i don't have anything that binds me here now. when we come back, we head straight to morocco for 3 weeks, after which my field season starts and i can go hang out on the sunny islands again.
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Whereto in the UK and Morocco are you heading?
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Norwich, UK and Ain Aouda (outside Rabat) in Morocco (to visit my parents-in-law).
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