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The genetic/learned debate is also irrelavent as I argued many months ago because we as a society haven't really figured out how things that are "learned" effect how people act to any real extent. Some feel that exposure to a certain type of behavior can encourage it, others feel that completely shielding someone from a certain type of behavior can lead to a situation where they make uninformed choices when the behavior inevitably presents itself, or our even drawn to it because of it's "forbidden" nature. When you make the claim that something is "learned" there is the hidden implication that we can somehow change the environment in which a person is raised to avoid this "learning". The problem is, we don't know what the right changes to make are. And we know even less if we encourage an atmosphere of suppression. The recent issues in the catholic church involving pedophelia is just one example of that. One would assume that what these priests "learned" would have had at least some effect on how they acted, but obviously, it did not.
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Re: rights: No, I am not. You're not making important distinctions. First, there is a distinction between toleration of people and toleration of actions. If I didn't tolerate gays, then I would take a shotgun and go out and shoot them. That is monstrous. You are arguing sophistically, and fudging barriers to make things sound very different than they are. I don't really think gay marriage is a matter of tolerance, as I laid out before. Marriage takes three; if it didn't, then everyone who cohabited would be married. They may have a stable relationship, but Quote:
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Well, someone that tolerates an even broader range of sexual behavior would be "more tolerant" than someone that just favors adding gay marriage to the definition - is "more tolerant" always better? I would think you would disagree at some point along that line. So again, it's just a matter of differing opinions. Quote:
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But anyway, I think that the state should recognise heterosexual marriages, because they are ordered to family, which is the building block of society, apart from offering a nonreligious option. Quote:
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So I"m talking about adult and youngster/child, whatever - but consensual.
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Your wording implies that you refer to the 'traditional' family. One father, one mother and however many children they like, right? It's a very pretty concept, and some people achieve it, but more and more it's seems to be the exception rather than the rule, and in an over populated world it is perhaps not the most useful definition of family. Heterosexual marriage is ordered towards procreation, with the assumption of a family happening. But viable families can also be formed in many other ways: by a single parent with a child, by homosexual or heterosexual couples who adopt or who aren't naturally fertile and use artificial insemination... there are children who are raised by grandparents, aunts/uncles, godparents, older siblings or cousins I would argue that in the current era, 'family' should refer to any group of people who willingly live together for significant amount of time, and are emotionally, legally, or genetically connected to eachother in generally positive manner.
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To the Nazis, Jews were a racial group, whereas to the Christians Judaism was a certain behavior that was seen as damaging to the moral standards of the community. If the Jews stopped practising that behavior, they would be accepted as full members of society- therefore it's not discrimination. Just like Christians in Muslim societies aren't discriminated against. |
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