03-27-2002, 05:56 PM | #341 |
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How exactly can the perfect person sin?
Perfect people cannot sin because they are perfect, which means without flaw. Hence: Adam and Eve had to be flawed in order to choose sin. Use brain power, people, brain power! It was given to us for a reason Last edited by Rána Eressëa : 03-27-2002 at 06:00 PM. |
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Perfection is a human ideal. It has nothing to do with science. More importantly, it has nothing to do with whether or not something was designed or created or evolved naturally.
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No one has answered my other question: How exactly can the perfect person sin? Perfect people cannot sin because they are perfect, which means without flaw. Hence: Adam and Eve had to be flawed in order to choose sin. Use brain power, people, brain power! It was given to us for a reason
Oh, and when I said "how can I go to a place that doesn't exist?" I was also just stating my beliefs in the form of a question Last edited by Rána Eressëa : 03-27-2002 at 06:13 PM. |
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03-27-2002, 06:11 PM | #348 |
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Rogue Elf, I've always understood it to be something like this:
Adam and Eve were made perfect, but they still had a choice. When they chose to disobay God's will, thhey became imperfect. Humans now are in that predicament. We're not perfect. And no matter what we do, on our own we just mess things up. However, God, in the person of Jesus, made a way for us to get around that. And once we've truly accepted Him, he begins to make us perfect. We have a choice in everything we do. And each choice we make moves us a little further towards either heaven or hell. As you move towards heaven you become more perfect, and as you move towards hell you become less.
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Why would God create all this anyway? They say he created life, but why? Entertainment? Experiment? There's no point behind the system - why would he do it? Why create something just to reward or punish? He must've been reeeally bored.
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Incidentally...
How can you say the world is unjust, imperfect, and basically a bad place if you don't have anything to compare it to?
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But, we can compare it to Utopias that have been written, and we can compare it to the Garden of Eden ideal. That is supposed to have been perfect, right?
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First, God created us (in my opinion) because he wanted creatures that he could have a relationship with.
And (again, in my opinion) It's not a matter of punishment as much as a simple result of one's actions. There are two types of people in the world. Those who say to god "Thy will be done.", and those to whom God says, in the end "Thy will be done." The one spends eternity with god, the other spends it away from him. Heaven and Hell.
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Anyway, since we are discussing human anatomy (which is not space-like data, it's temporal-like data, we don't use subjectivity, we use objectivity).
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The argument that if we aren't perfect then we couldn't have been created denies the possiblity that 'God' would make less then perfect creations. Humans do it all the time. Why not 'God'? You already showed that 'God' didn't create us "perfect", but you did not show that 'God' didn't create us "imperfect". I don't know if we were created or not. Neither does science, YET. Perhaps someday it will.
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