Riddling IV

[Valandil]

EDIT: Starting new thread...

Originally Posted by Keith K

Here's another of those event based riddles. See if y'all can guess what it is.

Two species friendship proved to last
Remembered from a distant past.

Yet good advice went by unheeded
causing strife that was not needed.

Then a stolen treasure traded
for supplies to those blockaded.
(their leader certainly felt jaded)

Nonetheless no food was sent
and a fight was called when none was meant.

note: To answer correctly, you must name who gave the advice, who didn't follow it, and the name of the treasure that was stolen

I think rather that the advice came from an old raven - I forget if it was Roac or Croac or something (the Ravens and the Dwarves sharing the friendship from the distant past). It was Thorin who did not follow it - and the Arkenstone was the treasure that was 'stolen' (by a 'thief'!) and traded.

[Valandil]

Originally Posted by EllethValatari

Correct! (mostly)

The poem only refers to the Gates of Moria, aka the Black Gate.

Explanation:
In the East it sits, ---obvious location
where hope will not linger
it captures all courage
but fools it can't finger--hobbits often called fools
all the confident it siezes
but on the edge of a sword--Galadriel refers to the Fellowship's quest as being "on the edge of a sword"
one may enter, invisible, --The ring makes Frodo "invisible"
without hearing one word
from the Mouth, who dwells ---Yes, the Mouth of Sauron
by this entrance to hell.

OK - I mostly wasn't sure because Frodo did not actually enter there while invisible (that made me think of Sam getting past the Watcher at Cirith Ungol) - and I thought of Galadriel's words of course - but that referred to the Quest itself, not the Black Gate. Still - the rest pointed me there. Especially the 'Mouth'.

[CAB]

Originally Posted by Keith K

Correct again! Thurin is too short a name! I name you Riddler Solver Extraordinaire! Obviously you are a student of the Appendices, perhaps you should be a teacher?

Thanks

Originally Posted by Keith K

Also, my riddle only spoke of a singular killer. A race would be plural. Nice thinking though. (and ixnay on arguing that a disease is composed of lots of germs)

Oh no, certainly I wouldn't argue against a race of germs being considered a singular entity in the context of your riddle.

[Keith K]

Originally Posted by Midge

Skip to the end if you don't want to read my thinking out loud.

So I've been reading the Narn i hin Hurin (I think it's called) and the first part of that riddle sounds like Turin and Beleg's friendship, Mablung's advice that Turin go to Thingol after Saeros died (which he disregarded) that caused strife between Turin and the Elves. The blockaded sounds like Mim's home - they took the sack he was carrying which he wouldn't be parted with but turned out to be carrying food and I think it said Turin was restless while they stayed in Mim's home?

So I guess my guess goes like this: Mablung gave good advice, Turin ignored it, and they stole a sack of roots from Mim?

Excellent try, Midge. As you will see, Val has found the solution. Thanks for guessing!

[Keith K]

Two species friendship proved to last
Remembered from a distant past.

Yet good advice went by unheeded
causing strife that was not needed.

Then a stolen treasure traded
for supplies to those blockaded.
(their leader certainly felt jaded)

Nonetheless no food was sent
and a fight was called when none was meant.

Originally Posted by Valandil

I think rather that the advice came from an old raven - I forget if it was Roac or Croac or something (the Ravens and the Dwarves sharing the friendship from the distant past). It was Thorin who did not follow it - and the Arkenstone was the treasure that was 'stolen' (by a 'thief'!) and traded.

Yes! The species are of course Dwarves and Thrushes. Well done, Val!

[Keith K]

Here's a little quick one:

I'm at the end of my range, the last horn blowing.

[Valandil]

Originally Posted by Keith K

Here's a little quick one:

I'm at the end of my range, the last horn blowing.

Boromir's last winding of his horn? (on the borders of Gondor)

[Keith K]

Originally Posted by Valandil

Boromir's last winding of his horn? (on the borders of Gondor)

Nope. But that is a fine guess! I can't say for certain that this horn ever blew. I mostly needed the "blowing" part for rhyming purposes. Not to say that there wasn't blowing. There very well probably was. I just can't prove it.

Thanks for trying, please give it another blow, er I mean go. Next!

[CAB]

Originally Posted by Keith K

I reckon The White Riddle is now open to all. Val needs some help with it. It concerns the Dunedain. Good luck!


The White Riddle

Pure and white.
Without stain or blight.
Soaring with pride
at a great height.

Banner of the Stewards

Originally Posted by Keith K

Also, I seem to have a riddle from long ago that was never solved.


The Middle-earth Algebra Riddle

2(Grubb) + Burrowes = x

What is the relationship?

X = The auctioneers of Bag End

Originally Posted by Keith K

Here's a little quick one:

I'm at the end of my range, the last horn blowing.

I'm not so sure on this one. It sounds like Ulmo with Tuor. The end of his (Ulmo's) range being the sea shore. Ulmo did blow the horn though, didn't he? He certainly “sounded” it.

[Keith K]

Originally Posted by Thurin

Banner of the Stewards


X = The auctioneers of Bag End


I'm not so sure on this one. It sounds like Ulmo with Tuor. The end of his (Ulmo's) range being the sea shore. Ulmo did blow the horn though, didn't he? He certainly “sounded” it.

Correct on the White Riddle.

Correct on the Algebra Riddle. The Shire firm of Grubb, Grubb & Burrowes was contracted to sell off all of Bilbo's stuff.

Great guess on the Last Horn Riddle. You make a nice point. But you are not even close.

I'll give y'all some clues to help narrow it down. This is a LOTR based riddle. You don't need any other books. The key words to focus on are last horn. End of my range is helpful as well.

Knowing a bit of Elvish would be useful, but not necessary.

Next!

[Valandil]

Originally Posted by Keith K

Correct on the White Riddle.

Correct on the Algebra Riddle. The Shire firm of Grubb, Grubb & Burrowes was contracted to sell off all of Bilbo's stuff.

Great guess on the Last Horn Riddle. You make a nice point. But you are not even close.

I'll give y'all some clues to help narrow it down. This is a LOTR based riddle. You don't need any other books. The key words to focus on are last horn. End of my range is helpful as well.

Knowing a bit of Elvish would be useful, but not necessary.

Next!

Keith - I actually remembered the Standard yesterday morning after I left the house. Or - thought of it again, or whatever. I focus more on the Northern Branch of the Dunedain, so the Southern Branch things didn't quite register so much.

This 'horn' one is tough. Sometimes the short ones are, since they give so little to go on. And sometimes can even get ambiguous.

I thought the algebra might have been that group/firm - but didn't recall the names.

[Keith K]

Originally Posted by Valandil

Keith - I actually remembered the Standard yesterday morning after I left the house. Or - thought of it again, or whatever. I focus more on the Northern Branch of the Dunedain, so the Southern Branch things didn't quite register so much.

This 'horn' one is tough. Sometimes the short ones are, since they give so little to go on. And sometimes can even get ambiguous.

I thought the algebra might have been that group/firm - but didn't recall the names.

Yay! I was hoping you would remember it on your own. No matter what your "focus" you are the wisest loremaster of the Dunedain in all Entmoot. That is why I expect so much out of you when my riddles concern them.

You well know that the short riddles can be real posers! I have faith that someone will figure this one out ah, shortly. After all, we are the Riddlers Of Entmoot! No other site can claim to surpass us!

[EllethValatari]

Originally Posted by Keith K

Here's a little quick one:

I'm at the end of my range, the last horn blowing.

Another thought...could it be Aragorn? "range" made me think of a "Ranger," which he was, and when he took his place as King of Gondor he was "at the end of his range." The "last horn blowing" could then refer to the last battle horn, because when he was crowned king the battle against Sauron was over...

[EllethValatari]

What about this guess?

Originally Posted by EllethValatari

Another thought...could it be Aragorn? "range" made me think of a "Ranger," which he was, and when he took his place as King of Gondor he was "at the end of his range." The "last horn blowing" could then refer to the last battle horn, because when he was crowned king the battle against Sauron was over...

[Keith K]

Originally Posted by EllethValatari

Another thought...could it be Aragorn? "range" made me think of a "Ranger," which he was, and when he took his place as King of Gondor he was "at the end of his range." The "last horn blowing" could then refer to the last battle horn, because when he was crowned king the battle against Sauron was over...

I like your thinking, Elleth. Quite creative. I have a feeling you just might be the one who eventually figures it out!

The rangers are not part of this riddle. Also, it is not necessarily a battle horn.

Keep guessing!

[EllethValatari]

Originally Posted by Keith K

I like your thinking, Elleth. Quite creative. I have a feeling you just might be the one who eventually figures it out!

The rangers are not part of this riddle. Also, it is not necessarily a battle horn.

Keep guessing!

Hm.....my free association skills are becoming blunter as it gets later...let me get out my books and look a little

[EllethValatari]

Originally Posted by Keith K

I'm at the end of my range, the last horn blowing.

*musters up another guess

Okay, is it Theoden? The "last horns blowing" could refer to Theoden hearing his last horns, or something like that...as for "at the end of his range," Theoden was killed at the Fords of Isen, which at the border of Rohan, therefore, at the end of his territory or range of power.

*crosses fingers*

[Keith K]

Originally Posted by EllethValatari

*musters up another guess

Okay, is it Theoden? The "last horns blowing" could refer to Theoden hearing his last horns, or something like that...as for "at the end of his range," Theoden was killed at the Fords of Isen, which at the border of Rohan, therefore, at the end of his territory or range of power.

*crosses fingers*

Nope. I'm loving your guesses, though. **more applause** Perhaps this little ditty will help you.

That is creative thinking,
but it's not even near.

Except that the solution
To Theoden would be clear.

[Wilhelm]

I'm at the end of my range, the last horn blowing.

The horn of Helm Hammerhand at Helm's Deep?

They had reached the maximum range of their retreat and/or the Hornburg is located at the end of the White Mountain Range...

[Wilhelm]

I'm at the end of my range, the last horn blowing.

Or perhaps it isn't a horn but refers to the Hornburg itself - for the same reasons I mentioned above.