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Do Hinduism and Buddhism have a lot in common? The wheel (<- should that be capitalized? Maybe you're not the right person to ask ) seems very important.
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Though at least with Anglicanism, Henry VIII was the first head of the church. And he had perfectly good reasons to separate from the Catholic Church than just wanting to divorce his wife. I can think of two others - I believe he considered worshipping relics a form of idolatry, and also for various reasons he didn't like the tithes sent to the Pope (IIRC).
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hinduism and buddhism have quite a bit in common - hinduism was the common route, both believe in samsara, nirvana(nibbana), and some buddhists, tho not many, believe in some of the hindu gods
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King James "Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord." New International "Wives, submit to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord." Living Bible "You wives, submit yourselves to your husbands, for that is what the Lord has planned for you." Revised Standard "Wives, be subject to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord." Ephesians 5:21-24 King James ". . . submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God. Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the savior of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their husbands in every thing." New International "Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ. Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything." Living Bible "Honor Christ by submitting to each other. You wives must submit to your husbands' leadership in the same way you submit to the Lord. For a husband is in charge of his wife in the same way Christ is in charge of his body the church. (He gave his very life to take care of it and be its Savior!) So you wives must willingly obey your husbands in everything, just as the church obeys Christ." Revised Standard "Be subject to one another out of reverence for Christ. Wives, be subject to your husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior. As the church is subject to Christ, so let wives also be subject in everything to their husbands."
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edited to add: Except, Henry VIII was divorced 2 times (and beheaded 2 other wives ). Why is that a problem now? Quote:
However I still have two major problems with the idea. I have already outlined my issues around the emphasis on gender differences 4 posts ago. My other issue is, why does a marriage have to have a leader? Why can't they just work together like my parents? They are my model for an ideal marriage. Not only are they truly wonderful and generous people, but they've also been very happily married for 23 years. (Even though my dad jokes that it has been 20.) (I'm 21.)
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the monarch, as head of the church of england, is also 'fidei defensor'
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There is also the New King James Version.
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Yay R*an's on. What do you think of my posts #285 and 286 on p.15 (or did you already respond to those, if so what post #?) and post #314 on p.16?
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In light of all you have written, explorations and otherwise, I think I understand your view of Biblical submission and its usefulness. Quote:
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You have a slightly misplaced quote tag there JD. (I actually said "In light of all you have written...")
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As far as things changing - this brings up the interesting point of: if something is right, then changing it will make it wrong.
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I expect I'm missing your point though, R*an .
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I'm NOT talking about "right" in terms of society. I'm talking about absolute rights and wrongs.
But some people don't believe in those I do. For example, I think the admonition to love your neighbor as yourself is true in ANY society and in ANY time, and changing that would make it wrong. However, it might look different in different societies and at different times. But the underlying HEART is the same. It's also always right to be kind to one another, as we are admonished to do in Ephesians 4:32. One way of being kind is to be modest in our dress (i.e., don't dress to intentionally arouse intense sexual desires that you have no intention of satisfying.) Now a young lady in a warm-climate island somewhere can go topless and be modest, if that is what her society is fine with. If I went topless outside my house, that would be immodest (or perhaps, given my age, humorous! but you get the idea ). How modesty looks has changed, but the underlying principle of it is right to be modest will never change, IMO. Do you see what I mean? The outward trappings of some truths might change over time and place, but the truths are still truths. And I think that it's pretty clear that Biblical submission is a truth, tho (eep - though! though!) how it works out might look different.
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As for bringing up modesty - who defines it? Is it's the wearing hijab? or is it having to wear skirt? or is it' no make-up? what is modest?
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R*an, do you have the Living Bible? Your views in Biblical submission seem most in tune with the above quote, if I understand you correctly. I still have two issues with the quote, and some things you said earlier. (Sorry to repeat, but it is nice to have everything still relevant nice and tidy at the end of a thread.) 1. Why is there such a strong emphasis on gender differences? Why is it so important in a marriage? 2. Why does there have to be a leader in a marriage? Why can't the husband and wife just work together? I agree that there are some absolute rights and wrongs, but I think we interpret them differently. I do agree with you about kindness. However, what makes submission "on par" with kindness? Congradulations on the correct spelling of though. EDIT: Cross-posted with JD: Quote:
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[edit] and I disagree with your quote on the husband being in charge of the wife. I just don't buy it.
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I do think kindess is though. EDIT: Quote:
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