Homosexual marriage II

[sisterandcousinandaunt]

would "old spins" be more accurate than "new spins"?

Shows an odd belief that translators in previous times had nothing to win by establishing their own forms of orthodoxy.

[brownjenkins]

Originally Posted by sisterandcousinandaunt

would "old spins" be more accurate than "new spins"?

Shows an odd belief that translators in previous times had nothing to win by establishing their own forms of orthodoxy.

I couldn't agree more.

[Rían]

Originally Posted by Nurvingiel

Hahaha. It's RÃ*an! *tries to tackle* *misses*

Darn.

*tackes back* Hi!!!


*peruses thread* drink "molten gold"?!?! Idon'tthinkso! I think it was pulvarized gold mixed in water, wasn't it? (Molten gold would be a bit hot!!)

[Nurvingiel]

Originally Posted by Gwaimir Windgem

Old translations tend to be more accurate; new translations tend to put a spin on the text, a la The Message. But anyway, in old translations, people were rather more prudish, and you just wouldn't put a word like "catamite" in a Bible!

Ha! There's plenty of nasty stuff happening in the Bible. Have those old prudes even glanced at the Old Testament? I suppose plagues and murder and people dying in large numbers are fine to have in the Bible, but two men having sex, OH NO!

Originally Posted by Gwaimir Windgem

Actually, apparently, the ancient Greeks tended to do things in a rather different fashion...

Is that an armless statue in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me?

Originally Posted by Gwaimir Windgem

As established above, my argument is not that gays shouldn't be married. I'm merely showing that New Testament Scripture provides texts which support the idea that homosexuality is sinful.

So you're not arguing against gay marriage? I'm just making sure that you think gay marriage is okay and/or acceptable.

Most of your post I replied to in Theology II

[GreyMouser]

Originally Posted by Gwaimir Windgem

But anyway, in old translations, people were rather more prudish, and you just wouldn't put a word like "catamite" in a Bible!

Not always.

1 Kings 14:10

King James Version
Therefore, behold, I will bring evil upon the house of Jeroboam, and will cut off from Jeroboam him that pisseth against the wall, and him that is shut up and left in Israel, and will take away the remnant of the house of Jeroboam, as a man taketh away dung, till it be all gone.

New International
10 " 'Because of this, I am going to bring disaster on the house of Jeroboam. I will cut off from Jeroboam every last male in Israel—slave or free. I will burn up the house of Jeroboam as one burns dung, until it is all gone.

[Count Comfect]

Originally Posted by RÃ*an

*tackes back* Hi!!!


*peruses thread* drink "molten gold"?!?! Idon'tthinkso! I think it was pulvarized gold mixed in water, wasn't it? (Molten gold would be a bit hot!!)

I think the idea was that it killed the idol-worshipper, actually, so yes, molten.

[Nurvingiel]

Originally Posted by RÃ*an

*tackes back* Hi!!!


*peruses thread* drink "molten gold"?!?! Idon'tthinkso! I think it was pulvarized gold mixed in water, wasn't it? (Molten gold would be a bit hot!!)

*fwump*

Ah, yes. That makes a lot more sense. Still, if he really did that, then wouldn't that make Moses evil?

Whoops, see you in the Theology thread!

[Count Comfect]

Originally Posted by Nurvingiel

*fwump*

Ah, yes. That makes a lot more sense. Still, if he really did that, then wouldn't that make Moses evil?

Whoops, see you in the Theology thread!

Actually, Rian is right (I went and checked). Moses "burnt" the gold, then ground it up, then made the idolaters drink it. Wouldn't be deadly, although it wouldn't be fun either.

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Originally Posted by sisterandcousinandaunt

would "old spins" be more accurate than "new spins"?

Shows an odd belief that translators in previous times had nothing to win by establishing their own forms of orthodoxy.

The older translations don't tend to spin so much. Back then, they had more of a reverential awe of Scripture, and tended to translate it pretty literally. There was some spin, but a good deal less.

Ha! There's plenty of nasty stuff happening in the Bible. Have those old prudes even glanced at the Old Testament? I suppose plagues and murder and people dying in large numbers are fine to have in the Bible, but two men having sex, OH NO!

"Nasty stuff", as in "scandalous stuff".

Is that an armless statue in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me?

Err...whoops! How'd that get in there?

So you're not arguing against gay marriage? I'm just making sure that you think gay marriage is okay and/or acceptable.

I don't think it's as bad as some people make out, but when you get right down to it, I don't think it's okay.

King James Version
Therefore, behold, I will bring evil upon the house of Jeroboam, and will cut off from Jeroboam him that pisseth against the wall, and him that is shut up and left in Israel, and will take away the remnant of the house of Jeroboam, as a man taketh away dung, till it be all gone.

This is a colourful way of saying "male". That is very different from what we are talking about.

EDIT: Here is a lexical entry for the word translated "effeminate" or "catamite"

malakoV,a {mal-ak-os'}
1) soft, soft to the touch 2) metaph. in a bad sense 2a) effeminate 2a1) of a catamite 2a2) of a boy kept for homosexual relations with a man 2a3) of a male who submits his body to unnatural lewdness 2a4) of a male prostitute

[Nurvingiel]

King James Version
Therefore, behold, I will bring evil upon the house of Jeroboam, and will cut off from Jeroboam him that pisseth against the wall, and him that is shut up and left in Israel, and will take away the remnant of the house of Jeroboam, as a man taketh away dung, till it be all gone.

"... that which pisseth against the wall" is the most hilarious phrase ever!!

Also, "...take away the remnant of the house of Jeroboam, as a man taketh away dung, till it be all gone," is the snap felt 'round the world. Ooh, burn!

There is always something new and completely awesome to be found in the Bible.

Originally Posted by Gwaimir Windgem

Err...whoops! How'd that get in there?

[Rían]

Originally Posted by Count Comfect

Actually, Rian is right (I went and checked). Moses "burnt" the gold, then ground it up, then made the idolaters drink it. Wouldn't be deadly, although it wouldn't be fun either.

I think the purpose was to show that the idols were just poop ...

(wonders if ... oh, nevermind )

[Nurvingiel]

Wonders if... shiny poo?

I know you were thinking it.

[hectorberlioz]

For shame! Women talking like sailors...

[Rían]

ahoy, matie! *swabs the deck*

[The Gaffer]

That would be the poop deck, then?

* tries to keep a straight face *

[Count Comfect]

I find it amusing that this thread has debased to poop deck jokes (arr, me swabbies) just because I referred everyone over to Theological Opinions

[Lief Erikson]

Originally Posted by RÃ*an

ahoy, matie! *swabs the deck*

Ah yesss . . . Let the women do the work . . .

*Puts his feet up and shuts his eyes.*

[Nurvingiel]

Hey you there! There's no room for layabouts on this ship!

*sets Lief to pumping bilge water*

[Butterbeer]

Originally Posted by Gwaimir Windgem

The older translations don't tend to spin so much. Back then, they had more of a reverential awe of Scripture, and tended to translate it pretty literally. There was some spin, but a good deal less.

Perfect world was it?

and you claim to be able to compare, without any doubt nor debate,

just how exactly?

....

It is, indeed, entirely possible that the word and meaning of "spin" is indeed hardly comparable -

But not necessarily for the reasons you appear to imply Gwai.

[Rían]

Originally Posted by The Gaffer

That would be the poop deck, then?

* tries to keep a straight face *

*whacks Lief with a wet mop*