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But there it is - the old federal government handout so many democrats look for. I see you didn't disappoint me on laying the blame at the "republicans" feet and expecting the federal government to supply everything. Technically NJ doesn't even get any money back from the government. For every $1 we get back in federal programs - we give $5,000 - because the democrats have even set it up - so the states are on wellfare programs. States such as Mississippi are supported by states like California, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Connecticut, etc.
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The Federal Budget most certainly DOES include money for education. Under Bush the amount spent is less than under Clinton.
Bush spends the money on military equipment. Much of that military equipment is made by companies that have Bush cabinet members on their Boards of Directors. (Do I need to go find that information?) We know the red states are in a dependent relation to the blue states. Did they just vote to become less dependent? Is that what you're saying? If all that pork that comes from being a red state isn't really a handout, what is it? I love the way the tobacco industry got sued on the one hand, then got a tax break that was bigger than the lawsuit. And that big tax break for NASCAR? That's pork, man. NASCAR invited candidate Bush to start races and featured drivers saying they are Republicans. But that's not handouts. That's not welfare. Why, because they are rich white businessmen? Last edited by Elfhelm : 11-17-2004 at 05:00 PM. |
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I don’t really understand how you can at one moment say “most” blacks are just looking for a hand out and then turn around and say blacks are the same as whites and work hard for their money and don’t need any help to succeed in this society. Either they are mostly welfare cheats or they are mostly hard working decent people. Which one is it? Or are you saying they SHOULD be hard working decent people like whites because they are capable of it but they don’t for some reason. If so then I have millions and millions of examples I could show you to help cure you of this delusion. But if you even ask these people who HAVE worked had and HAVE been successful and are playing the game as they should be according to you is the republican party on their side they will tell you in high numbers NO they don’t represent me. They don’t care about me. So even the “good” blacks disagree with republican ideologies when it comes to race. Why is that? That’s my point. Is your answer gonna be once again because all those people want hand outs? Quote:
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Ah yes, I see you are right. Funding for the Department of Education is at an all time high at 56 billion.
I fail to see what good it does our nation when the tobacco industry gets to make up their lawsuit losses with pork. With all the hungry people in the world, that land should be used for growing food. I would call that a moral value. What the heck is this with the generalizations about black people? They're all looking for a handout? They refuse to work? If that isn't racist, I don't know what is. But yesterday you called it racist to even wonder if the South would vote for Condi. By the way, I heard someone call her "Aunt Tom" today. In fact, they were having fun making up other names like Thomasina, Tom-ette, mini-Tom. I do not think Bush will convince the black voters to switch to his party by promoting her. Didn't you say she made it on her own? I heard her Daddy is rich. I don't think you'll win over black voters in Ohio. They don't appreciate being made to wait in the rain to vote because some Republicans at the front of the line are challenging every black voter and making them use provisional ballots. They are well aware that this is not happening in white districts. And they are pretty sure the whites did not have to stand in line. They think the whites had more machines per person. They want Kenneth Blackwell to step down. Do I think we have finished making up for the period of slavery? Not at all. The slaves and the chaingang workers (Irish and Chinese) built this country. They've never been paid for that. Even so, I don't believe a handout is the answer. I think affirmative action is the only way. If the state population is 15% black, the college students in the state college should be 15% black. |
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This morning I read that the first order of business in the House of Representatives by the party elected for their "moral values" was to lower the ethical standards for a representative. Delay has been admonished three times for violating ethical standards, but now they have lowered the bar.
As anyone can tell who has been following this thread, I'm not exactly a genius. So perhaps someone can explain what's so moral about that right. I go by feelings too much, I know, I am an idealist. So I still believe we on the left should stand our ground, that our morals about feeding the hungry and not waging war for oil are totally valid, and that whatever makes people say the right is moral (opposing gay marriage, I guess) is just a double standard. Or maybe they've coopted the word "moral", just as they coopted words like "bashing" and "hate". People die from bashing, but the spin-meisters have no qualms against calling criticism of the President "bashing". Maybe that's what's happening. So they can take an easy position on polarized issues and call themselves moral, relying on the tendency of the electorate to on see things in a superficial way. It's just like the way Newt was doing the same things in his personal life as Clinton was but nobody asked him to stop leading their party, even as they impeached the President while he was trying to get bin Laden. I know I'm not very bright and will soon be corrected for all my failings, but my heart tells me there is something wrong here, and that's what I'm going to stand by. |
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EDIT: response to Elfhelm. Nurvingel jumped in in the middle.
Not to worry. Your heart is right on this one in a big way. The republicans are proving themselves to be the worlds biggest hypocrites by spouting on and on about morals and values and then turning around and altering the rules THEY put into effect 10 years ago to deal with so called democratic corruption so that their speaker can avoid any seniority repercussions in case he happens to get indited for doing criminal things! What enormous stinking vile hypocrisy of the worst sort… Its sleazy. Its pathetic. And it only undermines everything they rail about when they talk about taking a firm stand of high morals. And this wasn’t just a couple republicans mind you this was almost all of them! But of course they voted in closed chambers so they can get away with saying oh I didn’t vote for that down the road. What a bunch of repugnant double talking slime balls. It should be noted that a few republicans followed their convictions and voted against this atrocity and the sad thing is these republicans will most likely get punished for it by aggressive corrupt bullies like Tom Delay and others. How sad. You’ve got a guy here who used possibly criminal tactics to strong arm people into rearranging the voting districts in texas so he could ensure a super majority in the state and increase his power and republicans want to shield him from the rightful legal repercussions of such corrupt tactics? Is this what the next four years are going to be like? Republicans mouthing words of moral indignation and then turning around and doing highly immoral acts in the name of power and protecting their own? I guess they want to be able to use the moral card as their secret weapon like they did in the election and yet be able to flaunt the rules and reject their OWN moral standards when it benefits them eh.
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I'm going off to Cape May for the weekend. I have no desire right now to set you guys straight on your erroneous information. But hey - maybe inked or someone can jump in and explain what is going on with the House Majority leader.
BTW - Nurv - nope that's mnore liberal whining - there were plenty of people whoo had to stand in line, not just blacks - not just democrats. Instead of taking the word from someone not even from Ohio - why don't you ask a REAL Ohioian (SGH) what the voting was like in Ohio. Also - on the news - they had on how the democrats had the "vote watcher" at the polls to make sure the republicans didn't try to discourage anyone from voting - yet - the republican didn't show and the democrat just stood there. See Nurv - basically what it is is that the democrats can't believe they lost and now they can't handle it. They want to use every excuse in the book, they want to blame voter fraud - even though there was none, they want to call republicans racist, they want to bitch about the republicans and anything they do. Thye're basically in sore-loser mode. I hope they get out of it - because it's getting rather old. If Kerry won - I would have accepted it and moved on. Instead there are democrats saying they're leaving the country because they don't like how a democratic country voted. YOu should see some of the letters in Time magazine - one even suggests splitting the country apart.
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1. The University of California at Berkeley can prove that 260,000 votes were awarded to Bush incorrectly by voting machines, which would change Florida from Bush winning by 380,000 to Kerry winning by 140,000, making the electoral count Bush 259 / Kerry 279. -or- 2. 81% of the 155,000 provisional ballots in Ohio turn out to be accepted, and they are Kerry votes (bringing the gap down to 9,000 votes) and at least half of the 98,000 ballots rejected by the scanners are included in the manual recount requested of Ohio by the Green and Libertarian candidates, giving Ohio to Kerry, making the electoral count Bush 268 / Kerry 272. |
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This is my last post here until Monday - I haven't even addressed the posts from IR yet. I may just drop this all together - because it seems like the discussion is getting more and more ridiculous with each passing moment. I wish the liberals could just accept the election and move on. There will be another election in 4 years.
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