12-27-2003, 11:41 AM | #301 |
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húrin was being watched at the time, in fact, you could argue that he should have expected this to be the case, so in some ways it was ungrateful of him to even approach gondolin... wasn't this the event that gave melkor the general vicinity in which to look?
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i terms of the lost tales version... this was written around 1917, while the one from the silmarillion dates to around 1930 (christopher says as much in lost tales 2)... granted, the silmarillion version was never really completed by jrr and lacks in detail in many ways, but it represents a more modern working of the general themes
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Do you mean the Quenta Noldorinwa? IIRC, all it does is to give a very short résumé, and it even refers to the Fall of Gondolin from the Tales.
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brownjenkins, I think you're right in that it was unwise of Húrin to go to Echoriath and seek for Gondolin. Unwise, but understandable - after all these years of torment, to seek some peace for a little while.
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on hurin and turgon... in my eyes these characters are not black and white (in fact, none of them are, which is why they are interesting, as Artanis pointed out) i think hurin made a mistake by approaching gondolin after being freed... does this make him evil? no... is it an understandable mistake? yes... is it ungrateful, maybe i was a bit too harsh, though i believe his not ever returning (or at least revealing it's location, which he did do) was a condition of his release from the city the first time... was this an oath? i don't remember exactly either way, it was not the wisest move on hurin's part, but understandable under the circumstances, and i can not blame turgon for turning aside to save his city and his people from discovery besides, if turgon let him in, who would have killed that nasty little mîm?
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I think I am going to change my mind: Finrod is now officially on my top-three list of Elves.
1. Fëanor (as always) 2. Fingolfin 3. Finrod 4. Aegnor 5. Turgon or Glorfindel Btw, SGH, like my new sig?
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Ha! I still think it's something fishy here. Did you perhaps feed him with Belgian chocolate?
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I vote for Gil-galad. He wasn't as powerful as some of his predecessors, but I respect him for leading the Elves even as they started to decline. I don't think many (or any) of the previous High Kings would've formed an alliance with Men.
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