09-20-2006, 01:22 AM | #301 |
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My god Hector, do you honestly believe that ALL muslims espouse violence?! Frickin' 'ell. Sweeping generalisation, much?
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09-20-2006, 01:26 PM | #303 |
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Then dont be a hypocrite and talk about muslims being lame because of this or that and in the same breath not criticize the pope one bit for including comments about muslims being violent and islam being barbaric in a speech designed to REACH OUT to non catholics in an attempt to achieve a meeting of the minds. After all is the Popes roll to divide or to bring together? What a hypocrite. But this plays right into the hands of the EXTREMISTS (not the MUSLIMS as you state...) who want to have a global conflict between Islam and Christianity. The world would be a lot better off without EITHER popes that act like superior hard asses taking digs at all non Christians whenever he feels like it and extremist zealot wack jobs that take these comments as an opportunity to kill and blow up innocent people and rile up the populace and cause further division and hostility.
What will happen now if they attempt to do something to the Vatican? To the Pope himself even? After all he will be going to Turkey soon. So brace yourselves… This gives the real fanatical killers exactly the ammunition they want to achieve open global religious conflict. And to have an American shouting about “them muslims!” fits right into that plan.
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I think what you ignore IRex, is that this time, this second chance for Muslims to show their psyche when they are critisized, this time they did not suceed in showing they were that rational or straight thinking. And I say I do not believe all muslims are like this because I believe it, not because I want to hold the redlight of protection. It's impossible for all muslims to be like that, in the first place, I realize that. But you seem to fluctuate your numbering of terrorists when you say "a few jerks", and yet muslims from all around the world have been protesting this! Secondly: the Pope should not have to worry about when he QUOTES A TEXT, which he says did not reflect his own view, and HAVE PEOPLE KILL EACH OTHER OVER IT. You seem to like lumping all the blame on the pope, but that leads me to point out that this situation seems to be one of those abusive relationship quagmires..."You're making me do this! You're making me beat you up! It's YOU who want this!"...Cry babies. Quote:
Let the peace-loving muslims protest against these idiotic extreme-jihadists! I want to know where they are in the crowd of the world! Stop protesting the pope for saying the truth, stop protesting your real allies when you have people of your own race and religion who don't care if they kill you or not! God bless and keep the Pope. He's brave for wanting to go still, even after the riots...
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09-20-2006, 01:57 PM | #305 |
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Indeed, Hector. Where is the voice of the 'moderate muslims'? Daily Christians and Jews are called infidels and their deaths demanded; two weeks ago "kill one a day before the 15th of September" cried one Muslim leader. I see no Christian or Jewish mobs burning mosques or parading around in 'just new clothes' and fancy signs.
....as for the Popes remarks, he twice said "and I quote"...so for anyone to get upset just shows the ignorance of those people.
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Is it not rather the point that we do not define ourselves or others by the actions of the few? Could we thus define all chrisitians as TV evangelists as a fact because some Christians are TV evalengelists? One can only read and take meaning from what is there Hector old boy. And as sweeping generalisations go from (whaetver) 1 billion muslims etc, a few hot headed or fanatical nutters (joyfully leapt upon by the global media and broadcast into the west, as the Pope's words were into the east) does not mean THE MUSLIMS - .................................. you know we need someone with tact and a sureness of touch to bridge east and west ...someone like the Duke of York |
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09-20-2006, 02:07 PM | #307 |
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Right, it's "them people"
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On another note, if I were a moderate muslim I'd also be sick as hell by now of constant having to defend my religion against people of other faiths because some terrorists try to hijack my religion for their own agenda.
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09-20-2006, 02:13 PM | #311 |
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Well if the Clinton News Network doesn't show it, I'm sure as h*** not subscribing to Al Jazeera.
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09-20-2006, 02:15 PM | #312 |
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OH, and I've seen no big headlines about moderate muslims in that bastion of 'fair and balanced news' otherwise known as TNYT.
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But anyway, the response of the Muslims of Islamic countries seems to be largely violent, reactionary, and intentionally insulting, (demonstrations saying "ISLAM WILL CONQUER ROME" and "MAY GOD CURSE THE POPE", etc.). While the response of first-world Muslims has been more mild, this does seem to be largely true of the third-worlders.
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Dunno, but "ratio" is reasoning.
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You sho' bout that?
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