09-25-2005, 09:52 PM | #301 |
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Well its what you make of it really. If two people connect then you can get fireworks and then its great. You cant do it enough. But dont let the sleaze peddlers worry you when the fur is flying. Make your own sexual reality.
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09-26-2005, 01:29 AM | #303 |
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that planned parenthood video is funny. if it is for real - its not a very good promotional video.
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09-26-2005, 11:39 AM | #305 |
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I do not think that women lived at the whim of their fathers or husbands 100 years ago. You'd need to support that rather than assume it! And how does that economic fact affect the morality of abortion? Does it mean they get to do to their embryos and fetuses what you appear to think their male relatives did to them? And that is justifiable as a CHANGE in human nature?
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09-26-2005, 02:33 PM | #308 |
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gotta agree with you "L" on this one......anyone studying history should know this.....unfortunately some like to rewrite history without ever checking into what actually was.
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09-26-2005, 03:35 PM | #309 |
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Sorry guys, but you have to clarify what that phrase means. I do not know of any historically accurate reports of women being put to death on the whim of either their father or their husband one hundred years ago. Please feel free to enlighten me.
Now, if you mean they were not enfranchised with the vote, why not say that? Now, if you mean that they had a different cultural milieu, why not say that? I merely responded to what was actually said, and I stand by that response. Until, you prove the assertion that women were casually flicked off like flies by their fathers and husbands which is what was stated. And they did support themselves and the rest of the family on the farm primarily 100 years ago. Or were you thinking only of women in cities with industrialization? See what I mean. The statement was so broad as to be meaningless.
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09-26-2005, 04:47 PM | #312 |
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Indeed. How anyone views anything about anything, is vastly affected by the culture - and times - they were brought up in.
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09-26-2005, 05:16 PM | #313 |
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"a woman in the 1900s basically lived at the whim of her father or husband... "
I think brownie meant "lived her life in accordance with the desires of her father or husband", not that she lived or died according to the whim of her father or husband! Altho some of that took place, too, in various cultures.
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Brownjenkins wrote: "women's rights for one... a woman in the 1900s basically lived at the whim of her father or husband... and the idea of her supporting herself was basically out of the question... obviously there are exceptions, but they were few and far between" And, ...... *sexism warning*.......................................... ..................... . . . They ARE "broad" statements!
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09-27-2005, 10:52 AM | #315 |
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sheesh... you guys like to split hairs
women were much less independent in those times (in fact, they were 30 years ago too) what does this mean? it means that when comparing how "women" viewed abortion in 1950, 1960 or even 1970 to how they would today you have to take cultural factors into account with all due respect to dorothy, are times are quite unlike those times
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09-27-2005, 11:34 AM | #316 |
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NO, BJ, I'm just trying to get you to look at your chronological snobbery.
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09-27-2005, 11:43 AM | #317 |
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...details, details; it doesn't change the fact stated BJ....you love a diatribe.
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09-27-2005, 11:51 AM | #318 |
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Brownie - IYO, is any change in people's viewpoints over time always for the better? IOW, given any particular opinion, say, from 200 years ago, compared to the opinion on the issue today, is the opinion from today necessarily right?
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it's the difference between being a realist and an idealist... the realist says "this is the world we live in now... what are some realistic solutions to today's issues" ... the idealist says "if we could just turn back the clock", but the problem is, we can't
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As Lewis says, if the time is incorrect, then it is sometimes very wise to turn the clock back (or forward, for that matter)
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