04-09-2002, 11:39 PM | #301 |
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I have most of those quotes saved in my own files
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About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer. Last edited by afro-elf : 04-09-2002 at 11:41 PM. |
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That's all well and good, for science. But myth is beautiful and I choose to think metaphorically, thanks.
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OK, so we are mostly in agreement. Cool. But I am saying I won't throw out the scriptures just because some readers can't interpret what they read. And since these people will always exists, wouldn't it be wiser to make sure their interpretations don't lead them to blood purges of intolerance? And I don't think that can happen by giving them pure science as the only alternative. Because, you know, science is a metaphor, too. For instance, the unified field theory - very elegant. Why can't there be a unity between the jargon of one and the jargon of the other? The real problem isn't the words, it's the leaders who will twist things in whatever way is necessary for them to stay in power.
Hey, who mentioned "Satan" in this thread? Isn't that the name used in the Koran, not the Bible? And isn't it funny that "Saturn" was worshipped by people about 500 miles away from there? hmmmm.... sounds like politics to me...
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True. Be careful of charismatic leaders.
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Indeed, and interesting thoughts on the quotes, Aragorn.
The term "Satan" in the Quran is actually a translation of the name "Iblis".
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Now I see, "Satan" is the name given to the adversary in Job. In Genesis there is just a crafty snake.
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Didn't God curse the snake to forever after crawl on its belly, and eat sand? What was the snake crawling on before? Feet? Snakes don't have feet, do they?
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No kidding, Satan is Iblis? Why thank you Earenya! You've just helped me understand a short story I once read.
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Yes, at least thats what I remember from a college class I took. We have applied the term "Satan" to be the equivilent of "Iblis", which is interesting in the fact that the Quran, unlike the Bible, is forbidden to be studied (for/as religious purposes) in any language but Arabic, because it changes the meaning of words.
What short story are you refering to? It brings to my mind the Islamic story of Iblis' fall from heaven- he was commanded by God to bow down to God's creation, man, and Iblis replied, "Why should we (angels) bow to anything but You, God?" and also, "I will not bow to this thing made of clay when I am made of fire!" (Greatly paraphrased) And yes, the implications in Genesis are that snakes were not legless to begin with. Many animated/illustrated versions of the Eden story depict the snake as a form of lizard prior to the fall of Adam.
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Wow! That's means that Genesis has hidden proofs of evolution, then, doesn't it?
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God changed the serpent, it certainly wasn't evolution!
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My dear people, is it really so ridiculous to assume that snakes at Creation had legs? And since it is not, can we please stop putting into the Bible what is not there? God cursed the serpent to forever crawl on its belly. He did NOT initiate a form of evolution.
Out of curiosity, can someone show me the "evolutionary tree" that shows snakes coming from lizards and how that relates to their supposed evolution into birds, mammals, and the like? Also, can one who believes that serpents spoke also not believe in a serpent with legs?
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Do a general search using google for taxonomy or taxonomical trees.
Otherwise try here: Web Lift to Taxa (Berkeley) Regarding snakes who can talk: it's impossible! Their thyroid is in the completely wrong position for talking, and don't get me started on the hyoid bone! What? God is breaking the natural laws of morphology? Ya don't say....
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Most Christians, if I can make a generalization, accept microevolution. Macro-evolution, if I am not mistaken, is micro-evolution + time. The nature of a creature, going from having legs, to not having legs, is a big change - it would not have happened via micro-evolution, and since macro-evolution, which is necessary in this case, needed time, the whole idea is ludicrous. Oh wait, I forgot, God is all-powerful - he can do anything...(including evil acts...) Just a question: Was the snake bipedal before it lost its legs? The Bible says nothing about the amount of legs it had. Actually, I have thus far assumed it had legs - perhaps it never did! Perhaps it was a flying creature? |
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