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Kabbalah is just mysticism-mysticism is interesting and can be relevant, but I don't see mysticism as independent from its parent religion, mysticism without the rest of the religion becomes devoid of meaning.
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I think we may be misunderstanding one another: when I say, "believe in it", I mean, believe that it is real, not believe in it religiously, which it sounds like to me is what you are saying.
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Oh-well Kabbalah isn't "real," all religions have mystical elements, they are part of the "package" as it were. Everyone approaches religion differently-Judaism has tended to de-emphasize its mystical side.
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hmmm well maybe some of you religious smarty pants can answer my question... i read something in some Church of Satan crap that there is not one thing in the bible that praises intelligence, well ive never actually been bothered to sit down and read it but im sure that somewhere there would be something???
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Er you're wrong. At least I know there's a blessing you're supposed to say when you meet scholarly folk, and I'm sure the rabbis found biblical backing to it considering how studying is commanded by God and all that.
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ohhh yeah sorry i found the quote and it was meaning the gospels... anyway if its wrong blame Bertrand Russell - "Has Religion Made Useful Contributions to Civilisation"
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"religious smarty pants"? Hmm...wonder if someone dislikes those who believe in a greater power?
I remember somewhere it says that My (God's) people die for lack of knowledge, and Proverbs speaks much of knowledge and wisdom. Running a quick search in the gospel, I find a few things which may be relevant. Quote:
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I think the second one is really the clincher. I'm curious: is this Modern Satanism, or "traditional" Satanism? Here are a few Catholic questions. Don't worry, no Bible required. 1. What exactly is a monsignor? And did I spell it right? 2. What are those scarf-like things that priests drape over their necks called?
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That is argumably not scholarly knowledge or wisdom-just knowing Jesus and his message. Entirely different things. Not that I believe the gospel somehow disapproves of intellectual power, but those quotes did not prove it.
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Yes, I said those weren't good quotes. Tho' the middle one seems to me to be speaking of intelligent-type knowledge.
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as for your examples i guess it just comes down to your definition of knowledge... i wouldnt count knowledge of Jesus as true knowledge.. but again beleive as you will
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As I said before, the first and third weren't really good examples, but the second really seemed to me to be speaking of "knowledge" for the sake of "knowledge".
I read up a bit on Modern Satanism: didn't really like what I saw. Everything I read was rather hypocritical. And there were of course other things I disliked about it.
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didnt you.. ohhh well each to his own but what i have read about it, i thought seemed very intelligent and seemed good to me. i just dont see putting faith in something that doesnt exist... at least i know i exist, im responisble for the things i do and im not guided by a supreme power...
i also liked how people arent distinguished by race, age etc but by intelligence... if you dont mind my asking what didnt you like about it... would i be right in assuming you are a christian?
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Seeing as I haven't read up on Modern Satanism, could someone please explain it to me?
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Indeed I am.
Well, the biggest thing was that it taught tolerance. From what I heard, the name was chosen to aggravate and intimidate Christians. Not very tolerant, IMO. I discussed the matter at some length with someone on another board who was considering joining them. Here's the MS definition of a few things that I read from some things he copy and pasted from a site (I think it was www.modernsatanism.com): Quote:
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Hello, TC. Looks like I'm doing that a bit right now. After this, I'll post some other stuff about it.
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Here's a description in the words of the person I discussed it with:
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1. Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked. 2. Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them. 3. When in another's lair, show him respect or else do not go there. 4. If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy. 5. Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal. 6. Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a burden to the other person and he cries out to be relieved. 7. Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained. 8. Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself. 9. Do not harm little children. 10. Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food. 11. When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him. Anton Szandor LaVey, Church of Satan all of these rules are right and shareable. ------------------- 1) Satan represents indulgence, instead of abstinence! 2) Satan represents vital existence, instead of spiritual pipe dreams! 3) Satan represents undefiled wisdom, instead of hypocritical self-deceit! 4) Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it, instead of love wasted on ingrates! 5) Satan represents vengeance, instead of turning the other cheek! 6) Satan represents responsibility to the responsible, instead of concern for psychic vampires! 7) Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all-fours, who, because of his "divine spiritual and intellectual development", has become the most vicious animal of all! 8) Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification! 9) Satan has been the best friend the church has ever had, as he has kept it in business all these years! much of this is right too. ------------- to be continued...
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