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I'm sorry - but the King James version was politically motivated. You may not like it - but it was.
Edit - I'm not talking abotu interpretive works, nor am I talking about "feminist groups" and so forth. I'm talking about there being a political motivation in the writing of the King James Version. To say there is no bias in the translations of the bible is being completely blind in my opinion. You may not like that there is bias and political reasons for a particular version - but there are in many cases.
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Thinking about the "political" issue, the following verses come to mind : Proverbs 21:1, Romans 13:1, Psalm 2:1-6, and of course, the very profound and relevant Isaiah 3:21!
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I think part of the problem is that one of our current societal thinking errors, IMO, is that ANY type of submission is wrong. Yet if we keep fighting the law of gravity, we'll get hurt. If we submit to it, we can accomplish amazing things, like putting people on the moon. Quote:
Seriously, even if everyone agrees that the woman looks like the "best" leader, I still think it's better for both of them that the man take up his assigned role as head. After all, the Christian life is about growing, and what a great opportunity for growth! See, IMO it's not a case of evaluating who might be a "better leader" using worldly standards. The world has goals and standards as to what is good; ours are different (and IMO much better!) It's a case of the Designer of our bodies and souls saying that the man should take the headship position and the woman should submit to his headship, for the maximizing of joy for everyone involved. Easyness or efficiency isn't a proper goal, IMO. If a guy is a "worse" leader and it brings some problems, so what? Is your goal an easy life, or is it the refining of your soul so it will be as pure gold? If you marry (and I hope God has this blessing for you), I pray that one day, God will commend you and say, "Sunny, your obedience to me in this area of submission brought about this fabulous fruit in your husband's life that couldn't have come about otherwise. And you grew an even greater crop of fruit yourself, too, because of what happened when you chose to submit and how you dealt with it! Well done, my precious one!" You and I know, Sunny, that God loves us and wants fulness of joy for us. Don't you think His requests would further this goal? Quote:
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! Last edited by Rían : 03-24-2005 at 04:23 PM. |
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I think it is independant of time.
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I thought your request was reasonable and polite, Lief. I look forward to the discussion, if it ever occurs.
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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king james wanted to, erm 'educate' the masses, or as we would term it, 'bring them into line', so there is absolutely political motivation here.
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Does it necessarily follow that the translation is in error? I don't think so.
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And yes - LCoU knows the history - at least part of the history of King James Bible.
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Anyway, if you're going to say the King James bible is politically motivated, you're going to have to back up what you say. Just saying the bible is politically motivated is not convincing, all by itself. I'm sure you know that. It's like if I said, "Jesus is the God of the Universe!" and expected you to believe it just because I say so.
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Well I'm glad someone gets it Sun-star. Of course I'll do my own research too, one day, but I do want to understand R*an's take on it. I see now why differences between men and women were important earlier. However, I still disagree at the weight you give each one.
You did say that both men and women are strong, and both men and women are beautiful, and I agree with that. I also agree that men and women are beautiful and strong in different ways, however I don't put a lot of emphasis on such a general statement. I don't understand the point of so much emphasis on gender. The average man is stronger than the average woman, but what does that mean to individual people? Not a whole lot. As for the translation thing, maybe Lief's 4 book volume can shed some light on this..? What do the other versions have for those quotes? (Colossians 3:18, Ephesians 5:23-24, Ephesians 5:21-23.) Thanks for those links JD. I'm about to watch the Akathist Hymn. BTW I hope I cleared up the PC misunderstanding R*an. I think you thought that about me once before and I probably had a similar response. I'm egalitarian - if that appears to be politically correct, well, I don't care. It doesn't hurt my beliefs. The reason I wanted to clear this up is because then you would miss the point of what I was saying.
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political motivations behind the james trans are a historical fact, he almost lost his throne to the young pretender, and to prevent further uprisings he 'educated' the populus to his propaganda, simple as that
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You mentioned this in another thread Chrys, what's the Samsara?
And as if this wasn't confusing enough already... there appear to be about 10 different versions of the Bible. What's the Amplified Bible? (Makes me think of a Foamy cartoon... )
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samsara - eternal cycle of life, death and rebirth, reincarnation, karma and the eternal path
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Interesting. Is that... *attemps to recall old social studies class* ... represented by a great wheel?
The Ankathist Hymn is very cool. It's actually two incomplete prayer services that aren't related, but put together they form the Ankathist prayer service, which is for Mary the Mother of God.
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