03-30-2006, 03:37 AM | #301 |
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Just had a thought. And I haven't even had my second coffee yet.
My initial nihilism led to a cloud of conflicting hedonistic and suicidal urges. Those suicidal urges abated after a short while. I've written about it before, somewhere. Anyway, hedonism. It's an interesting concept. Mine is more of an "economic" hedonism. Protracted and subdued; prudent. It wasn't like that at first. A new, fresh nihilist can be a very impatient, inefficient hedonist. Impatient hedonism can lead to the negation of hedonistic opportunity. Prudent hedonism can lead to a lifetime of hedonistic thrills, but with reduced variety, magnitude and spontaneity. Rambling. Right, need coffee.
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OT ("O" for "on"): What's great about this thread is that it's a learning process rather than just a talking process. I might have spent two pages explaining my attitudes on joy and goodness without realizing that a single word would have been enough. Hedonism. That's good to know. Do you think you could elaborate? I'm not sure what you mean by prudent hedonism, or economic for that matter, but mainly prudent. I wonder if I'm aware enough of how I feel say which seems more like me. I remember when your posts were melancholy, suicidal, and depressing. It seems like you're suddenly so fun and so lucid again that that's probably why I didn't recognize you. That's really good to know. I used to get so worried, thinking that online you probably showed just a fraction of what you were feeling and there was nothing I could do for you. I'm really, really glad you're better. Quote:
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At least, that just seems to me like one of those things that everybody goes through. I think you all know what I mean.
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Apologies for the delay, I wasn't really in the mood to think. Still kinda meh, haven't had any coffee, so please bear with my ramblings.
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If being prudent means to be careful about one's interests, then prudent hedonism means to be careful about one's hedonism; most importantly, to act (and be hedonistic) in such a way that allows for continuing hedonistic opportunity, and perhaps to act in such a way that results in maximum hedonism over the course of one's life; to be hedonistically efficient and effective (i.e. economic) In other words, I could indulge in pure hedonism and perhaps die in a few hours, or days. Or be locked up for life. But wouldn't it be better if I could continue to live in a hedonistic fashion? "Of course it is!" cries the proponent of philisophical hedonism. If pleasure is good, no pleasure is not good, therefore pleasure is better, therefore having the opportunity to be pleasured is better. Two big threats to the quality of one's hedonism is the emphasis on being prudent, and the magnitude of one's nihilism. Nihilism is a powerful thing. The ability to shrug and say "that's okay" in the face of anything. "Supercharged apathy" is one way to look at it. Quote:
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Yes, quite ironic, isn't it?
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Here's a philosophy.
In the beginning, _____ created the world. And ____ saw that it was ______. Then ____, _____, and _____ happened and humans came along. They built many things used for killing each other. Eventually, they developed more subtle ways of killing each other, until it wasn't called killing at all, but "technological progress." They found ways to make humans kill themselves. And it was good. Go death! Especially self-inflicted death... |
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*bump*
Since this discussion has died down, I propose a new topic: Platonic Forms: Yes or No?
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its been awhile cant remember in all its details. i believe i believe something along these lines as far as the forms go: Form of Chair --> yes Form of Justice --> maybe Form of the Good --> no
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04-19-2006, 01:53 PM | #312 |
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Why form of chair, yes?
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what are y'all talking about? did I miss something?
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The Platonic Forms. According to Plato (as articulated through the mouth of Socrates), there exist what he calls 'forms', in a way abstract archetypes of all things that exist, such that, for example, a chair can only be called a chair insofar as it participates in the Form of Chair, the forms thus preceding and lending their own identity to material things.
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It all gets complicated when he starts talking of the form of Justice etc, its easy enough to say there is a form of a chair that is eternal not so easy to say the same of justice. Form of the Good, or the form of forms, you believe in or you dont. i dont.
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All right then; I understood you to mean you believed that the form of chair actually existed independently.
Anyone else care to take a stab at this question? Me, I'm all about first substance. I agree with Aristotle here, not Plato.
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04-20-2006, 12:49 PM | #317 |
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I prefer Aristotle's idea's over Plato's as well. Plato just complicated the picture by adding in the ideas about absolute ideal forms that were simply unnecessary. Aristotle seemed to realize the relative nature of human perception and that our musings on reality are just that.
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I was thinking more of the Categories when he said that "First Substance must be before any of the others (genera and species of substance and the other nine categories) can exist."
As I previously said, I'm all about first substance.
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Whooooooa! I like that proposal Gwai.
It looks like I'll have to do much more research before I can talk about all of the various forms and analogies of Plato's that have already been mentioned here. But first I'll explain why I believe what I believe right now. Good and bad are present on Earth, and that seems to be the first thing we're ever aware of. I tend to think that when people deny this, they're probably either being silly or playing devil's advocate. (I'll welcome any input on that.) Good and bad are forces or something, which aren't competing against each other or influencing people's behaviour or doing anything sinister that people might associate with "mysterious forces." Just somewhere in the world, something bad is going on, and good is happening somewhere else, always. Anyway, that seems like an inescapable fact to me. What complicates it is people's desire to classify everything as either good or bad, which isn't possible or necessary. Almost everything falls somewhere in between. This is where Aristotle's BS about the relativity of reality comes into play. There is only one reality. This is another inescapable fact. People do inevitably observe different parts of it and so they percieve it and judge it differently, but their judgements are often wrong. They also try to label everything either good or bad sometimes, and again they are often wrong. I could elaborate and provide examples if you want, but I won't make this particular post any longer than it has to be. ---- "Ever heard of Socrates? Plato? Aristotle? Morons!"
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Relativity of reality? I haven't read that in 'Totle. Course, I've only read the Categories, De Interpretatione, Prior and Posterior Analytics, and the beginning of the Topics. Where does he discuss this relativity?
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