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07-14-2006, 05:38 PM | #281 | |
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07-14-2006, 05:47 PM | #282 |
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ah! ...wise words ... indeed some may have led up ye old garden path ....
but to more important matters ... you are right ..the whole history of that thread has been apparently wiped. this is serious moot ettiquette and moot board rules here. many found it distasteful ... 9/11 thread theory ... many had no truck with it (including myself) ....but to wipe it like it never happened? what message is that? certainly not one of freedom nor one respectful to all those who died on that day. (i am serious) no explanantion ..who did this and why? Be accountable! maybe i agree- but this is NOT the way! is this how we honour them- those innocents that died that day ? Innocents who died because of hatred and intolerance? do we wipe whole threads and posts, communist style because we wish to write them out of history? go check el tels' personal profile and look up threads started - it has been obliterated!! is this the moot? ..................... seriously- this is not any statement but suprise here! But to fight those whose oppose the west, we do it best be maintianing our beleifs - NOT pandering to the terrorists by bowing down to their core beleifs and shackling and throwing away these very beleifs of freedom of speech they wish to curtail - by bowing down to them and making them happy by doing so! Is this what we are about? Nay! let us rise above it and show WHY freedom is our cause! best, BB Last edited by Butterbeer : 07-14-2006 at 05:52 PM. |
07-14-2006, 05:50 PM | #283 | |
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07-14-2006, 05:59 PM | #284 |
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what say you?
we honour the dead of 9/11 and 7/7, those of New york and London alike by being true to our beliefs and democracy and maintaing free speech? or are we communists who obliterate and deny freedom and officially wipe out such debate? |
07-14-2006, 05:59 PM | #285 |
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We who have been attacked should not fall to accusing each other. We should respect each other. BB I agree to some extent, but innocence until guilt is proven is the most important thing that we have to preserve.
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07-14-2006, 06:00 PM | #286 | |
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but can you then explain why this has been wiped USSR cold-war style? |
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07-14-2006, 06:02 PM | #287 |
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Hey Tel, on topic, I posted a question about all those biblical names that Alsaadawi says are in the heiroglyphs. And BoP also wants some real evidence that her dictionary of Middle Egyptian is innaccurate.
Other wise, this thread has surely run its course. Last edited by Elfhelm : 07-14-2006 at 06:05 PM. |
07-14-2006, 06:04 PM | #288 |
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Someone whose friends died in the attack requested the deletion. That was about the third from last post before the erasure.
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07-14-2006, 06:09 PM | #289 | |
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thus we deny the holocaust? does not then someone who's colleague died in 7/7 have thus the same friggin right to respect them by keeping freedom of speech alive? ..i do not like the premise of the thread - FACT - but i feel passionately it is an insult to my colleague that in his name and memory free speech is thus curtailed by and in the very name of TERRORISTS you dishnour my colleague by this action - you make them laugh at us because we let them win by debasing everything we stand for. yours, serious and very unamused, BB ( not you personally elfhelm) |
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07-14-2006, 06:17 PM | #290 |
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Well, it was an accusation based on fear and it did seem like trolling. When we think about what principles we want to preserve in the face of fear, I agree about free speech, but defamation is not included in free speech. That's about taking responsibility for one's words. Personally, it all looked like defamation to me. And for the left, the last thing we want now is for someone on the right to put the tinfoil hats on our heads.
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07-14-2006, 06:24 PM | #291 |
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I cannot speak for the left, or for the right.
For myself i am myself. what more can i truly say? I have seen too much of life to pin myself to any idealogy too rigidly. But i do beleive in freedom, as a belief. That, for me, does not mean attaching in built niaevty (sp?) ... or set rules... nor adhering to stupidity wherever it comes from and from whom, who-ever ... but truly... we dishonour the memory of my colleague in his dead name by not merely closing but wiping this thread - however we may not like it's ideas. sincerely, BB |
07-14-2006, 06:35 PM | #292 |
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I refuse to repeat myself, I have provided enough evidence to my point of view.
And practice what you teach, guilty until proven guilty you say, that has never been your attitude towards this thread; it was to you bunk from day one. BB, I agree with everything you have said, especially about 9-11. It matters not that you agree, it only matters that we should be allowed to debate the issue. Unfortunately Spock did not think so, and I PM him to let him know exactly - without pulling any punches - what I thought of him yanking it. Guilty until proven guilty? If the thread is renewed, I garauntee that you will have no doubt of where the guilt lies; far more so than this thread, I could provide undiable proof about the perpitrators of 9-11. it is now more important than ever for us to find out. With Israel bombing lebanon, it is about to be WW3 people. So, how about it Spock, will it be freedom or tyranny!!!
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07-14-2006, 06:43 PM | #293 | |
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07-14-2006, 06:44 PM | #294 | |
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Defamation? why, because it's not on CNN; I am extremely offended by your statements. The majority of 9-11 victim's families believed that the government was behind it. Do you really think I would start a thread like this if I didn't care about those dead people. What you fail to realise is, if I am right, then this will happen again and we will be blaming the wrong people. Truth and justice is all I am after, and I promise you I willl have it, those people that died will have it!!!! You know were I live, new york city and today becasue of the excalating violence in the middle-east, cops were on every corner searching bags before you could get on the train. This is natzi germany and I will not have it!!!!
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07-14-2006, 06:46 PM | #295 |
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BB, I agree with you, but on the left I am glad that the thread was wiped because I felt the theory was only there to make the left look like flakes.
And a messageboard isn't democracy, anyway. It's totalitarian rule. But I do agree. |
07-14-2006, 06:49 PM | #296 |
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It's defamation because it is specifically attacking the character of someone who, I admit, I don't like him either. But that is injustice. Just because I don't like him doesn't mean I should say he arranged for 9/11. That's not right. What more can I say?
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07-14-2006, 06:49 PM | #297 |
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el tel , as i understand it ... and has been carefully posited on the moot here on other matters quite explicity - Spock does not have the power to do this.
are you sure of yourself here? because if so, this will have repercussions far reaching. BB elfhelm - be careful what you say, else the board is liable to be opened up to regulation given its rules and remit. |
07-14-2006, 07:05 PM | #298 | |
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07-14-2006, 07:09 PM | #299 | |
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This is the PM between me and spock over the 911 issue!!!
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Proverbs 21:3 To do justice and judgment is more acceptable to the LORD than sacrifice. Ecclesiasticus 2:1-5 1 My son, if thou come to serve the Lord, prepare thy soul for temptation... ...4 Whatsoever is brought upon thee take cheerfully, and be patient when thou art changed to a low estate. 5 For gold is tried in the fire, and acceptable men in the furnace of adversity. Romans 5:3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience; |
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