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Rex- "why would that be a genetic thing? It would serve no genetic purpose to just kill for the heck of it. It would never survive as a successful trait. It would be much too much of a danger and you would gain nothing from it. So genetically it would be pointless. BUT if killing another person allows you to better yourself and thus makes it more likely to pass on your genes then this becomes a logical evolutionary step. Don’t you agree? "
Again, you should take a look at those studies showing the preference of human females for "warriors" across cultural boundries, and re-evaluate this... It's not genetically pointless for humans at all....
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It's a level of difference and intent. Raiding and other forms of conflict are aimed primarily at securing resources. War is primarily aimed at eliminating competition period... whether through wholesale slaughter or absorbing the remnants into your own power structure. Of any of the other animals, only slaver ants and PERHAPS the chimps apprach this, but not to the level that I would qualify it as war. A bunch of anthropologists were only to happy to label chimp aggression/conflict as war, because it furthered their aims of pointing out how similar chimps were to humans, without regard for semantics. Stupid anthropolgists...
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10-20-2003, 05:34 PM | #289 |
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"But wanting warriors to mate with and wanting psychotic heartless killers I think are two different things. who wants to idolize a Jeffrey Dalmer. hey wait a minute...."
Mmmhmm. Don't step on the landmines while you are at it. What's the main difference between a warrior and a heartless psychotic killer? One does his business during war to other warriors, the other during peacetime to innocents. Apparantly for some people, the distinction does get blurred. Maybe genetic drift? Or just discussion drift...
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There is a difference between a warrior during wartime and a psychotic killer. The psychodic killer doesn't get nightmares years later for killing. I've never met a warrior who actually enjoyed killing someone - and I'm not denying that there aren't people out there. But I find your statement offensive.
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"I disagree - if we stood up to Hitler before he became so powerful we could have prevented the deaths of millions and millions of people - but instead the world wanted to take the "peaceful" way out and ended up being forced to fight an even BIGGER war. Sometimes small wars are required to make sure major conflict doesn't break out."
And thus we come back to the concept of "limited-scale" conflict. And what, pray tell, is the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, if it isn't a "limited-scale conflict?" You're making me dizzy going in circles... I'm going to have to take a break for a while and watch cartoons, the only other redeeming quality about humans aside from literature...
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10-20-2003, 05:51 PM | #296 |
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"It's interesting how your posts seem to try to indicate that you are not of the human race and that you are above all this. :rolleys:"
Yes isn't it interesting "There is a difference between a warrior during wartime and a psychotic killer." I beleive I pointed out what the main difference is. One is sanctioned, the other is not. The other differences are of less importance when talking about the gentic implications, or did you lose track of the point? "The psychodic killer doesn't get nightmares years later for killing." Want to bet on it? Sociopathic behavior does come with a price. But that's not germane to the discussion either. "I've never met a warrior who actually enjoyed killing someone - and I'm not denying that there aren't people out there. But I find your statement offensive." I have met several. And I understand why they felt that way. The reaction is so intense that one cannot remain indifferent. Some loathe it, some love it. You may find my statement offensive, but it's based on my experience, and as such, I make no apology. Furthermore, you are keeping me from my cartoons.
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"I would venture to guess that you are not and have not been a soldier in a time of war that participated in battle."
Unfortunatley you are incorrect "I'm sure that they would not agree with you on this. A soldier fights on the battle field to defend his/her country, not take pleasure in the murder of his/her victim." Soldiers fight for a lot of different reasons Ruinel. Most often it's because someone is shooting at them. If you get good enough at it, you begin to take a pervese pride in it. It's only a short step from there to pleasure. No it is not a popular topic, nor is it openly talked about. Maybe if it was there wouldn't be so many people having a bad time when they come back to the "world". "There is a big difference. And to say there is no difference is an insult." Insult? Pffft. What the **** would you know? One of the best complements my Platoon Seargeant gave me was that I was a psycho killer. What the hell wou... never mind. It's not a fit topic for discussion here. Probably not anywhere but in a group setting either... Not to mention that the discussion in question was in regards to the genetic predisposition of women to choose a particular type of mate and the possibility that unconciously the traits are not easy to discern. But no, you want to focus on the ugly reality. I'll be happy to point it out, but it's not a fit place. "In fact, there has been studies done on serial killers, which you might want to look up and read. Some of it suggests that they have a mental defect, while a few suggest a genetic defect." One would indeed assume that the inablity to discern war from peace might be a mental defect. That is unsurprising. I'm also well aware of the literature, since it was in my field of study for a number of years.
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