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no it isn't! or do you not beleive in your own magnetic charms? That is to say you do not beleive the phsyiotherapist has lost out by being married? choose Reverend- sex or nihilism?? Nurv- no of course Lief is not a nihilist- but it is wonderfully ironic that Nietzsche could argue that Lief is a nihilist. More interesting though, are the reasons he might argue Lief was a nihilist. Yes Nurv and Spock - in all seriousness Monty Python and philosophy share the same basic premises! Kind of ... after all if this is a nihilist Parrot i 'ave in my hand here - can it be said to have ever beleived that it in any meaningful way it ever lived? |
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One of my earliest childhood memories - mint Aeros ... being carried on me dad's shoulders somewhere by the seaside in Wales - very sunny morning- though mostly i seem to remember the mint Aero ... though they were not in the bar form they are today ... i have gone off them though ...
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03-28-2006, 09:34 PM | #285 |
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03-28-2006, 11:56 PM | #286 |
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I can't believe I missed five pages in just a day. I'm never taking a nap again.
I got a book called "Nietzsche and Depth Psychology" yesterday. Didn't even open it yet, but it promises to be an interesting introduction to his ideas. Again, just a few things I want to say: 1- My definition of truth is "reality," but that doesn't mean I dare assume that people are capable of recognizing all reality. I actually think that is the only way to define it, but it's so often misused, like in saying "that's true" when we mean "that's how I perceive it," that its meaning has gotten confused. It's an incongruence that originated in linguistics and spilled over into philosophy in a tragic accident. The result is that some philosophers say "truth is subjective" now when they mean "perception is subjective." If none of us were misled by the too-common slang definition of truth, we wouldn't even be questioning this. I do think it's ridiculous, and someone at Webster's or Oxford should have addressed it a long time ago. 2- Lief, don't get discouraged when we all seem to jump down your throat. It's because you're such a damn good debater that we feel the need to defend ourselves against you even when you haven't and don't mean to attack us. 3- Religion and philosophy do overlap sometimes when a religious icon can be associated with a certain way of thinking. We should be able to mention Jesus as freely as we mention Socrates in here, as long as religion never dominates the thread, IMO, and as BB said, as long as Jesus isn't presented as justification for a viewpoint, since that would be pointless as not all of us have faith in him. 4- Actually, our topics so far have been art and beauty, good and evil, truth... why not change the topic to religion for a while? 5- Totally just kidding about number four, Lotesse. snickersnicker 6- This seems relevant to the direction of this thread a few pages back, perhaps even more relevant than the Theological Opinions thread. Religion and Individualism
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03-29-2006, 12:00 AM | #287 |
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More importantly, what's so depressing about the nihilists?
I think just the fact that it depresses so many people indicates that humans have a strong urge to believe in something. When they confront the down-to-earth nihilistic view of life, it shatters the hopes and dreams for "something more" which they might not even know that they had. Coming from me, that's just baseless speculation, though. What do others think?
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Heretic my toosh. St. Thomas Aquinas says as much, and he is the stereotype for orthodoxy. Besides, isn't heresy hip, and "theology = queen of sciences" not? Therefore, etc. Q. E. D.
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Me, neither.
Nietshe's last point of sanity before he totally lost it was when he witnessed a horse being mercilessly flogged by its horrible owner, and he went berserk - Nietsche did, that is. He ran up to the horse, and flung his arms around him, weeping uncontrollably, and tried to shield the horse from furthur blows, with his own body. It blew his mind, how a human being coulds excersise such relentless cruelty upon a faithful beast of burden. Juyst snapped the synapses in his already syphilus-addled mind. He was extraordinarily sensitive. I do love Nietsche. He's often pigeon-holed into a specific ideological label, I think, and very unfairly so. For instance, he was not a misogynist, but certain anti-Nietschians say he was. Certain groups of anti-Nietschians say a lot of nasty, ridiculous stuff about the man and his ideas, but it would take me an awfully long time to outline it all here. Besides, I don't want to. Not here, that's for sure.
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(following is an excerpt from an online essay)
According to Nietzsche, the other world is an illusion, and instead of worshipping gods man should concentrate on his own elevation, which Nietzsche symbolizes in the Übermench. The contrast of "good and evil" as opposed to that of "good and bad" Nietzsche associated with slave morality. He argued that no single morality can be appropriate to all men. The meaning of history was the appearance, at rare moments, of the exceptional individual. And by creating the figure of Zarathustra he presented the teacher of the coming superman.
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people who take nihilism too seriously, TRUE nihilists, click here this editorial ought to be fair game for what our topic seems to be.
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I wouldn't call these mentally ill terrorist children "true nihilists." You know, many terrible things have been done by people in this world, in the name of any ideology or religion, including Christianity, Islam, etcetera etcetera. I see your source for the story is the Christian Times. That sucks, but is this a continuation upon a discussion of a philosophical idea, rohirrim, or just a thing to show us so that we can continue the line of conversation in this thread about religion versus philosophy? Not sure where you are coming from, with this little newsflash about nasty killer kids.
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I didn't mention religion, the True nihilist comment was reffering to what someone a few pages ago said about there being no such thing as a true "nihilist" I didn't respond right then, but if indeed there is no such thing as a "true" it is decidedly good because they would be law enforcement's worst nightmare, a person with no concsinense or feelings for anything, this news blurb is supportive of that fact. as to whether or not they are mentally ill I can't prove or disprove that, but what if they're not? what if they just truly believe in nothing? thats scary.
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It's scary? Well, I suppose so. There's a lot of scariness in the world.
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Just want to say again how thoroughly I enjoy your posts, Bombadillo. I swear, I make a beeline for certain members' posts when I see they've made a new one, and you're one of those posters I always "beeline" to.
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