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For what it is worth, I don't give a rat's arse about the koran being burnt either. I think the guy doing it is being a needlessly racist moron, but he is free to do or not do as he wishes.
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09-17-2010, 03:37 PM | #282 |
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And while we are on the subject... Whats the deal with holy water? Is it in the same ball park as the communion stuff or is it just water thats been blessed? Is it considered offensive to waste it? Drink it? Swim in it in a non baptismal way? If you throw communion wine at a vampire does it burn it? eh... sorry...
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News people like news, and they know that burning a Koran has a greater chance of bringing some news than stepping on a communion wafer. That's why it's a bigger deal.
And GreyMouser's "Heckler's Veto" is spot on.
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Hmm, you're right the toy gun analogy is poor. I have some thoughts, but I will be away from the 'moot for at least a few days due to some school/work/etc. projects.... so I'll see if I can't come up with a better way of expressing what I mean in that time. I feel like I didn't say what I was intending to get across.
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Must it? Is thinking that some religions didn't evolve in the same way over centuries the same as being irrationally afraid of one of them?
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And it certainly seems true that a lot of Muslims do react with threats and acts of violence, much more so than Christians nowadays.
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Not quite. I meant it in the purely etymological sense, simply as "fear." Still, close-enough to your interpretation.
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Someone says or does something you don't like? Tough, there will always be people in the world who do things you don't like, it's not all mature to wallow in self pity because someone else said something you thought was mean. If someone else interprets something in their own way, that's nothing anybody can ever influence. It's entirely down to them how they see things. Also, this demand of any censorship is a surefire betrayal of the lack of self-confidence these people have in their absurd views or beliefs, as they know as much as anybody that they can't withstand absolutely any public criticism, inquiry or ridicule, and the only tactics they can respond with are those of noisy indignation, violence, intimidation, vilification and the age old censorship. |
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Oh, and General Boykin for his "I knew that my God was bigger than his. I knew that my God was a real God and his was an idol," but he was also reprimanded for it.
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I agree, although two things on this: 1) Just because your reasons are well known to you doesn't mean that they are well known (or indeed believed) by anyone else. 2) Would those political reasons (whatever the hell they were at the time; depends when you are asking) still have been considered sufficient had Iraq been a Christian country? |
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It's clear that you have absolutely no conception of what religion can mean to someone, and so I see no point in continuing.
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Clearly the reactions of the people that react to the burning of the Koran are the reactions of people who don't consider it a personal attack of any sort ...
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